THE NEW KING JAMES

[AFaceInTheCrowd]

nkjv omits the word LORD 66 times,the word GOD 51 times,heaven 50 times,repent 44 times,blood 23 times,hell 22 times,JEHOVAH entirely,the word new testament entirely,damnation entirely,devils entirely.the nkjv ignores the kjv greek textus receptus over 1,200 times.nkjv replaced the kjv hebrew(ben chayyim)with the corrupt stuttgart edition(ben asher) old testament.......G.A.RIPLINGER(NEW AGE BIBLE VERSION)

KEEPING TO ONE TRANSLATION IS VERY IMPORTANT..THE MORE THE WORLD TRANSLATES ,THE MORE WE LOSE OF THE WORD OF GOD

[The Journey]

uhhhhhhahhhh (I yawn). Well here we go again.

Blood,

First, what brand of KJV-onlyist are you? Are you Ruckmanite? A TR only? or a MT only?

Second, what edition of the KJV do you have? The 1611 or one of the many revisions?

Thanks,

Steve

[AFaceInTheCrowd]

STEVE

[AFaceInTheCrowd]

SORRY STEVE BUT WHAT IS A RUCKMANITE,A TR AND A MT?OH BY THE WAY "CREED" ISNT A CHRISTIAN GROUP ,SCOTT STAPP SAID HE WASNT A "PRACTICING CHRISTIAN"

[The Journey]

Blood,

Brother, do you know Scott? Have you been to his house in orlando? Do you know his family? Well, until you can say yes to some of these then you should reserve judgement on his relationship to the Master. The Lord is working on him and has used him in ways that many "Christian" bands can only dream of. Scott's problem is that he is brutally honest. Despite counsel from his friends he persists in this nasty little habit.

Now back to the topic. A Ruckmanite is one who follows the heretical preacher in Pensicola, FL that believes that God corrected the Greek text when the Anglicans produced the 1611 KJV. Thus, if the Greek text disagrees with what the KJV says, then the Greek is wrong.

The TR is the textus receptus. The KJV is based on it. The TR was prepared by a catholic named Erasmus. He used the Latin Vulgate to translate into Greek TR for portions of Scripture that are found in no Greek manuscript. The TR is based on the Majority Texts (MT). These are newer Greek texts that are Byzantine in origin. Most of the 5000 manuscripts we have are of this type. Sometimes the TR that erasmus prepared disagrees with the MT.

The Critical Text (CT) is what most newer versions of the Bible are based upon. These are the oldest manuscripts. Some are Papyrus manuscripts. P66 (Papyrus 66) dates approximately AD 150-200. This has for example the Book of John and is very close to the time that the original autographs were written. It is not the original as written by John but it probably has not been copied more than once or twice.

Why does all this matter? Well the Apostles who wrote our New Testament wrote in Greek. They did not write in English. Thus, what your Bible reads in any one passage depends on the Greek text that it is translated from. The question is not does the NKJV differ form the KJV. The question you have to ask is: Does the Greek support the KJV or the NKJV? If the verse says "repent" in the KJV and not the NKJV well, what does the Greek say there? If the Greek has the word repent and the NKJV does not, then the NKJV is translated poorly in that place.

Since you are new to all this my suggestion would be get books from both sides of the argument...not just Gail Ripplinger. Get the book The King James Only Controversy by Dr. James White. It can be purchased on his website: https://aomin.org/bookstore/shop.html?shop=books. Get educated on both sides and then make your decision.

- Steve

P.S. Its ok to judge Creed's music or Scott for his life or lifestyle. If the music is evil or his lifestyle is wrong then we should say so. He may be a good or a bad Christian. But we should not say that he is not a Christian. Only Lord knows the relationship He has with Scott Stapp.

[AFaceInTheCrowd]

UH, SCOTT SAID THIS IN AN INTERVIEW.I WAS TAKEN BY IT TOO.MAYBE YOU NEED TO ASK HIM WHAT HE MEANT BY NOT BEING A "PRACTICING CHRISTIAN".JUST THOUGHT I WOULD TELL YOU THIS.NO JUDGEMENT INTENTED. JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE'S MUSIC IS POSITIVE THAT DOESNT MAKE THEM A "CHRISTIAN" GROUP DOES IT?OH BY THE WAY ,WHAT BIBLE DO YOU READ BROTHER? :upsided:

[Ovedya]

UH, SCOTT SAID THIS IN AN INTERVIEW.I WAS TAKEN BY IT TOO.MAYBE YOU NEED TO ASK HIM WHAT HE MEANT BY NOT BEING A "PRACTICING CHRISTIAN".JUST THOUGHT I WOULD TELL YOU THIS.NO JUDGEMENT INTENTED. JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE'S MUSIC IS POSITIVE THAT DOESNT MAKE THEM A "CHRISTIAN" GROUP DOES IT?OH BY THE WAY ,WHAT BIBLE DO YOU READ BROTHER? :upsided:

A small word of advice, dear brother. All caps is considered shouting in most forums.

Grace to you.

[The Journey]

Blood,

Ok. I know where your coming from. He harbors some anger against the Americanized Church that is slow to judge herself and quick to judge the world. Scott does not want to be identified with that.

Now back to the topic at hand. Well, I have many including the KJV that I have learned the best. But I think that the English Standard Version is the best English translation today. http://www.gnpcb.org/home/esv/ J.I. Packer was the editor over the translation team. They used all available manuscripts including the MT that includes the TR to make the best possible translation.

- Steve

[martyr]

KEEPING TO ONE TRANSLATION IS VERY IMPORTANT..THE MORE THE WORLD TRANSLATES ,THE MORE WE LOSE OF THE WORD OF GOD

If this statement were true, then everyone should burn their English translations. That goes for the KJV crowd too since A. KJV wasn't the first English translation and B. if it were the first, it would still be a translation.

I believe God has blessed us with a great opportunity by having so many different English translations. Granted, we should be on the lookout for those that go against God's Word, yet as far as this debate goes it is a much smaller number than some would think.

Dr. Steve, just to add my 2 cents worth, I think the NAS is the most accurate and best translation in the English language.

[AFaceInTheCrowd]

Sorry about the all caps. I didn't know The King James 1611 was the completed translated version. The ones prior to that were not complete translations.