God Is Not a Nationalist

[Anne2]

10 hours ago, Luther said:

I want to live in a Christian country. This country was founded by Godly principles. And when society followed Christianity it was a much better society. Look at it now. Everything is divisive and perverse. 

 I think many modern day ideas forget, this nation was founded upon the notion that human nature is sinful, and self interested. Hence a nation by the people, for the people to choose the power over them. Furthermore, to have a government that power is divided into parts. Because men by nature become corrupt.

That is the Christian application to our form of government and it is great. What we have had in our history, is men attempting political control outside of our elected officials. Giving regulatory control over to bureaucratic agencies. Therefore, it no longer matters who is president, who is in congress, who is in senate. The rules these agencies make continue on. 

I desire to see government fully returned to the power of the people. To keep power in check, due to "human nature" being corrupt, and power tempting to further corrupt. We are seeing this continue through the judicial branch, unelected to control another branch of government (elected) to function.

Just my two cents.

Edited yesterday at 02:46 PM by Anne2

[Luther]

6 hours ago, Anne2 said:

 I think many modern day ideas forget, this nation was founded upon the notion that human nature is sinful, and self interested. Hence a nation by the people, for the people to choose the power over them. Furthermore, to have a government that power is divided into parts. Because men by nature become corrupt.

That is the Christian application to our form of government and it is great. What we have had in our history, is men attempting political control outside of our elected officials. Giving regulatory control over to bureaucratic agencies. Therefore, it no longer matters who is president, who is in congress, who is in senate. The rules these agencies make continue on. 

I desire to see government fully returned to the power of the people. To keep power in check, due to "human nature" being corrupt, and power tempting to further corrupt. We are seeing this continue through the judicial branch, unelected to control another branch of government (elected) to function.

Just my two cents.

I agree with your sentiment. Our founding fathers went to great lengths to protect The American citizens from what is going on today in government. 

The forces of evil learned how to operate within the context of our Constitution. We've been taken over by a foreign entity since the JFK assassination. He was going to stop them from acquiring nuclear weapons. He wasn't going to play by their rules. But lo and behold they had their representative waiting on the wings to fully implement their policies.... That was Lyndon B Johnson. From then on  our country began it's downward spiral. 

That's just a quick comment on the subject without getting too detailed.

[Luther]

14 hours ago, Marathoner said:

No nation of this earth has ever been godly at any time. Just the same, no nation of this earth has ever followed Christ at any time. If this were true, then these nations would have kept His commandments --- which they have not at any time. 

I understand what you're saying and of course not the only Nation or group of people that is going to completely follow Christ with all their heart,mind and soul are going to be born again believers in the kingdom of God.

Having said that, the United States did a pretty good job of following Christian principles for the longest time. Whether a person wanted to go to a Christian church or not, they still went because everybody did it, which is not necessarily a bad thing. The majority of Americans were heavily influenced by Christians, and our society reflected that. 

Now we have been infiltrated by cultural Marxism which initially crept into non- Christian liberal organizations In the early twenties.  Now everyone and everything is affected by a perverted, greedy incompassionate philosophy by those who seek to ruin our society. 

The only way to cure the problem ( if the Lord tarries) is to remove those who seek to implement anti- American, anti- Christ policies in our government, in our schools, in our media, in our banking system and in our entertainment industry. It might look like the 50's again. 

 

[Anne2]

16 hours ago, Marathoner said:

No nation of this earth has ever been godly at any time. Just the same, no nation of this earth has ever followed Christ at any time. If this were true, then these nations would have kept His commandments --- which they have not at any time. 

Agreed. We also are not a theocrasy. The best we can do is acknowledge human nature when it comes to government. The Us has done a pretty good job in this consideration with setting up our government.

6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 

 

 

[Michael37]

15 hours ago, Tym Owen Da Enill said:

This matters because when the people of God confuse kingdom with nation, harm follows. Hosea 8:4 says, “They have set up kings, but not by me.” Psalm 146:3 warns, “Put not your trust in princes.” And Acts 4:26 tells us, “The kings of the earth stood up… against the Lord.”

God’s people were never meant to find their security in political power. Every time they did, it led to compromise, corruption, and loss. The pattern is clear—both in the Bible and in history.

Yes, sound the alarm, but the Bible provides numerous scriptures that highlight Christ’s role concerning nations, including Israel and beyond. Here are some key passages:

• Matthew 28:19 – "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." This verse emphasizes Christ’s command to spread His message to all nations, not just Israel.
• Isaiah 49:6 – "I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth." This prophecy foretells Christ’s role in bringing salvation beyond Israel.
• Acts 17:26 – "And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place." This verse highlights God’s sovereignty over nations and His plan for humanity.
• Revelation 7:9 – "After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people, and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb." This passage illustrates Christ’s universal reign and the inclusion of all nations in His kingdom.
• Psalm 22:28 – "For kingship belongs to the Lord, and he rules over the nations." This verse affirms Christ’s authority over all nations.

[Starise]

To say God is not a nationalist is to say we need to make that statement because there are those misguided who think He is. So maybe some see this as a real problem on large scale. 

And I'll admit that I see statements which are often exclusive in many circles, The us mentality. The clan, the tribe, often seeing themselves in a superior light because of location an/ or citizenship. " We don't do that harumph". We are above that. My tribe is the best tribe, God's tribe. 

It seems to run down to association by where we are or where we are from which some then take pride in, and pride myust aways be above someone else.

Reading the Psalms can even seem to have those connotations because David seen himself as God's warrior literally and was continually proclaiming what God was going to do to his enemies.   God had determined to bless Israel as His people, but apparently most of them seldom seen an association with Yahweh as a national association, at least not at the personal God level because they couldn't run away fast enough. Even in the wilderness after witnessing astounding miraculous acts of God to protect them, they decided Moses was taking too long on the mountain and made an idol and got into indecent behavior. 

Sadly, any country since who has given allegiance to God either in a big way, or in only outward ways, i.e. most of America, is full of rot and lots of the very things He warns against. If a nation truly followed God as a majority, then that nation would be geared nationally to God. Christian nationalism as a superiority complex is bad bad bad.

I am reminded of Nineveh. They turned around against all odds. Against the wishes of the very prophet sent there to warn them. Should they as a country have taken pride in having followed God? What kind of sorrow do you think they had and why?

It is true that when a country predominately follows the ideas of God in it's laws and when leaders are really working for the people as God's servants, things go well. God blesses that country. And in my opinion, to say my country was spiritually superior or better is a loaded statement because we have always had the bad stuff underneath the good stuff. The apple has always had worms. 

I can't personally invest a lot of trust in my country or any other. I am part of another kingdom. I'll pay my taxes and obey the laws. I'll respect and love others not because I'm an American but because I'm a believer.

 

[Marathoner]

12 hours ago, Luther said:

I understand what you're saying and of course not the only Nation or group of people that is going to completely follow Christ with all their heart,mind and soul are going to be born again believers in the kingdom of God.

Having said that, the United States did a pretty good job of following Christian principles for the longest time. Whether a person wanted to go to a Christian church or not, they still went because everybody did it, which is not necessarily a bad thing. The majority of Americans were heavily influenced by Christians, and our society reflected that. 

Now we have been infiltrated by cultural Marxism which initially crept into non- Christian liberal organizations In the early twenties.  Now everyone and everything is affected by a perverted, greedy incompassionate philosophy by those who seek to ruin our society. 

The only way to cure the problem ( if the Lord tarries) is to remove those who seek to implement anti- American, anti- Christ policies in our government, in our schools, in our media, in our banking system and in our entertainment industry. It might look like the 50's again. 

 

Whitewashing history doesn't accomplish anything worthwhile, my friend. The "old days" were every bit as evil as the present day and in some ways, surpass what we witness today. Over 60,000 native Americans were forced to embark upon death marches by order of the President of the United States from 1830 - 1850; roughly 20,000 died during this era known as the Trail of Tears. 

The greedy, uncompassionate philosophy of murderers and thieves made massacres and genocide possible long before "Marxism" and the like arose. Manifest Destiny was the ideology and law of the land; their evil knew no bounds.

There is no remembrance of earlier things by those who come later on. What was done before will be done again so that there is nothing new under the sun (Ecclesiastes 1).