Bearing His Reproach

[Mr. M]

Hebrews Thirteen:

12-14 Therefore Jesus also, that He might sanctify the people with His own blood, suffered outside the gate. Therefore let us go forth to Him, outside the camp, bearing His reproach. For here we have no continuing city, but we seek the one to come. 

A recurring theme throughout the Testimony is the affliction and the cause of the Righteous. The Spirit leads us in the Way of enduring the Lord's reproach, even as the calling is to relieve the sufferings of others.

Mark Ten:

35-37 Then James and John, the sons of Zebedee, came to Him, saying, “Teacher, we want You to do for us whatever we ask.” And He said to them, “What do you want Me to do for you?” They said to Him, “Grant us that we may sit, one on Your right hand and the other on Your left, in Your glory.”

38-40 But Jesus said to them, “You do not know what you ask. Are you able to drink the cup that I drink, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?” They said to Him, “We are able.” So Jesus said to them, “You will indeed drink the cup that I drink, and with the baptism I am baptized with you will be baptized; but to sit on My right hand and on My left is not Mine to give, but it is for those for whom it is prepared.”

The Lord speaks of two requirements here, to drink from His cup, and receive His baptism. We willingly accept the baptism in the Holy Spirit, but will we endure the baptism of fire? The furnace of affliction overcomes the spirit of jealousy, which inflames the wrath of man. Only in the humility attained under the hand of discipline can the faith of man be tried and proven genuine. His assurance then comes with the consolation of the Holy Spirit, and inner man is magnified.

Genesis Fifteen:

13 Then He said to Abram: “Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years.

Exodus One:

11 Therefore they set taskmasters over them to afflict them with their burdens. And they built for Pharaoh supply cities, Pithom and Raamses. 

12 But the more they afflicted them, the more they multiplied and grew. And they were in dread of the children of Israel.

Out of the furnace, and into the fire of the wilderness...

Deuteronomy Eight:

2 And you shall remember that the Lord your God led you all the way these forty years in the wilderness, to afflict you and test you, to know what was in your heart, whether you would keep His commandments or not. 

3 So He afflicted you, allowed you to hunger, and fed you with manna which you did not know nor did your fathers know, that He might make you know that man shall not live by bread alone; but man lives by every word that proceeds from the mouth of the Lord. 

4 Your garments did not wear out on you, nor did your foot swell these forty years. 

5 You should know in your heart that as a man chastens his son, so the Lord your God chastens you.

By affliction we are led in the righteous path

Psalm 119:

67 Before I was afflicted I went astray,
But now I keep Your word.
68 You are good, and do good;
Teach me Your statutes.
69 The proud have forged a lie against me,
But I will keep Your precepts with my whole heart.
70 Their heart is as fat as grease,
But I delight in Your law.
71 It is good for me that I have been afflicted,
That I may learn Your statutes.

Many are called, but few are chosen...

Isaiah Forty-Eight:

9-11 “For My name’s sake I will defer My anger, and for My praise I will restrain it from you, so that I do not cut you off. Behold, I have refined you, but not as silver; I have chosen you in the furnace of affliction. For My own sake, for My own sake, I will do it; or how should My name be profaned? And I will not give My glory to any other.

[Mr. M]

2 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

A recurring theme throughout the Testimony is the affliction and the cause of the Righteous. The Spirit leads us in the Way of enduring the Lord's reproach, even as the calling is to relieve the sufferings of others.

True Religion...

Exodus Twenty-Two:

21-24 You shall neither mistreat a stranger nor oppress him, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. You shall not afflict any widow or fatherless child. If you afflict them in any way, and they cry at all to Me, I will surely hear their cry; and My wrath will become hot, and I will kill you with the sword; your wives shall be widows, and your children fatherless.

James One:

26 If anyone among you thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this one’s religion is useless. 

27 Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.

[Mr. M]

On 6/8/2025 at 8:23 AM, Mr. M said:

A recurring theme throughout the Testimony is the affliction and the cause of the Righteous. The Spirit leads us in the Way of enduring the Lord's reproach, even as the calling is to relieve the sufferings of others.

Hebrews Two:

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.

Bringing Many Sons to Glory

10 For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. 

11 For both He who sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren, 

12 saying:

“I will declare Your name to My brethren;
In the midst of the assembly I will sing praise to You.”

13 And again: “I will put My trust in Him.”

And again:

“Here am I and the children whom God has given Me.”

14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, 

15 and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

I foresee this coming from @Vine Abider!

[Mr. M]

9 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

Bringing Many Sons to Glory

10 For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. 

11 For both He who sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren, 

12 saying:

“I will declare Your name to My brethren;
In the midst of the assembly I will sing praise to You.”

13 And again: “I will put My trust in Him.”

And again:

“Here am I and the children whom God has given Me.”

@Your closest friendnt, potato po-tah-to

The Son makes no claim beyond

what was given Him by the Father.

Ephesians One:

17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

23 Which is his body, the fullness of him that filleth all in all.

Genesis 41:40 You shall be over my house, and all my people shall be ruled according to your word; only in regard to the throne will I be greater than you.”

John 6:65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”

[Mr. M]

10 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

23 Which is his body, the fullness of him that filleth all in all.

Genesis 41:40 You shall be over my house, and all my people shall be ruled according to your word; only in regard to the throne will I be greater than you.”

John 6:65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”

1 Corinthians 15:27 For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.

Fit that into trinitarian doctrine.

[Mr. M]

47 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

The Son makes no claim beyond

what was given Him by the Father.

@Your closest friendnt asks,

"By saying "God" what are your thoughts for "God" in the context in your statement."

Hebrews 1:8 But to the Son He says:

Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.

The Son IS our God and Father, no one knows His Father. Jesus Christ is the Lord Almighty.

2 Corinthians 6:

16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said:

“I will dwell in them
And walk among them.
I will be their God,
And they shall be My people.”

17 Therefore

“Come out from among them
And be separate, says the Lord.
Do not touch what is unclean,
And I will receive you.”
18 “I will be a Father to you,
And you shall be My sons and daughters,
Says the Lord Almighty.”

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end,
Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
From that time forward, even forever.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

Everlasting=to the end of the age:

42 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

1 Corinthians 15:27 For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.

Fit that into trinitarian doctrine.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time

[Your closest friendnt]

@Mr. M

I am not interested in discussing it. Unless you answer the question. 

Did the Heavenly Father died for the forgiveness of our sins? 

Is He the head of the church? 

Are we His sons?  

Edited Saturday at 03:55 AM by Your closest friendnt

[Mr. M]

16 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

I am not interested in discussing it

Works for me. 

[Mr. M]

9 hours ago, Mr. M said:

Hebrews Two:

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.

No man in the arrogance of his fleshly mind will ever comprehend what God the Father endured through the suffering and death of His Son.

2 Corinthians 5:18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, 19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

As the Son died, He spoke of being forsaken. The Father experienced the loss of His eternal Oneness with His Son. This is sufficient for me to believe in the Father's Love for us, and an understanding of death by separation, which began with Adam.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 

Still says enough for me. 

[Your closest friendnt]

8 hours ago, Mr. M said:

 

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 

 

This is scripture and I know this from a little child. Other comments I would rather not comment because we both understand that they are not scripture. 

Jesus said that the devil has nothing in me and He died in full obedience to His Father. 

Did Jesus had any reasons to feel happy, satisfied that He died according to scripture. 

Edited Saturday at 01:01 PM by Your closest friendnt