SpiritLedEd Posted December 12, 2005 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 91 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted December 12, 2005 In Isaiah 14:12 Isaiah states "How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!" Then if you turn to Revelation 22:16 Yeshua says "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star." Self explanitory question, why does Jesus refer to himself Morning Star, and Isaiah call satan morning star. I am sure that the original words are different, I am in no way saying anything bad about Yeshua, or Isaiah, I just dont understand. Thanks, Aaron According to the NIV Study Bible, "Morning Star, Son of the Dawn" in Isaiah 14:12 could be names for the kings of Assyria and Babylon, meaning that they will fade like the morning star fades when the sun rises. The "Morning Star" reference in Rev 22:16 means "Light of Salvation." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted December 12, 2005 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,254 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,983 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 12, 2005 In Isaiah 14:12 Isaiah states "How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!" Then if you turn to Revelation 22:16 Yeshua says "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star." Self explanitory question, why does Jesus refer to himself Morning Star, and Isaiah call satan morning star. I am sure that the original words are different, I am in no way saying anything bad about Yeshua, or Isaiah, I just dont understand. Thanks, Aaron According to the NIV Study Bible, "Morning Star, Son of the Dawn" in Isaiah 14:12 could be names for the kings of Assyria and Babylon, meaning that they will fade like the morning star fades when the sun rises. The "Morning Star" reference in Rev 22:16 means "Light of Salvation." So does that mean that those two kings were ET's that were kicked out of the heavens........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiritLedEd Posted December 12, 2005 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 91 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted December 12, 2005 It is not mistake by the NIV, nor the NASB, nor any of the other 100+ modern english bibles. It was done with the full intention of misleading both christians and worldly people away from the Truth that can make them free. It is part of the occult/new age infiltration of the church. Satan know he cannot destroy the church so the next best thing is to join the church. LT Excuse me, but you think that the translators DELIBARATELY meant to decieve us? "EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME!" (steps up to the microphone in the crowded room..... "Is this thing on? TESTING, TESTING" THUMP!!! THUMP!!!! "Excuse me, but before we get in too big a rush here; where does the Bible ever tell us that 'Lucifer' and 'Satan' are the same being?" Errrrr.......anyone? Lemme get a drink of water......... *sits down* Now. Lets see............anyone...... *sits waiting beside Leo* The notes in my NIV Study Bible for Isaiah 14:12 say that applying Chapter 14 to Satan is speculation only. vv12-14 could apply to Satan because of the enormous power described, bu none of the other verses in the chapter apply to him. The prophecy in Chapter 14 probably applies to the king of Babylon. "Lucifer" is a title that was applied to the king of Babylon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted December 12, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted December 12, 2005 My question didn't get answered. If that is so [the passage is only about the king of Babylon], then who would you say that Satan is, and where did he come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillingToDie Posted December 12, 2005 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 710 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/01/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/16/1984 Share Posted December 12, 2005 Think about it, put yourself in the devil's shoes. How would you go about trying to get people to turn away from the Lord Jesus Christ and worship you? Just come up with a counterfeit bible that points to you and not Jesus. But these "counterfeit" versions don't point towards Satan. They point to Christ just as much as your precious KJV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_raven_1313 Posted December 12, 2005 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 98 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/25/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted December 12, 2005 (edited) All that I will add to this is that I have read that for myself in the NIV and all that I can say is that it doesn't surpirse me in the least because after all it is published by Zondervan, who is owned by Harper Collins, who also distribute the Satanic Bible. http://www.harpercollins.com/global_script...isbn=0380015390 Edited December 12, 2005 by the_raven_1313 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted December 12, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted December 12, 2005 All that I will add to this is that I have read that for myself in the NIV and all that I can say is that it doesn't surpirse me in the least because after all it is published by Zondervan, who is owned by Harper Collins, who also distribute the Satanic Bible. http://www.harpercollins.com/global_script...isbn=0380015390 Did you know that the NIV and Satanic bible both use paper too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_raven_1313 Posted December 12, 2005 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 98 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/25/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted December 12, 2005 All that I will add to this is that I have read that for myself in the NIV and all that I can say is that it doesn't surpirse me in the least because after all it is published by Zondervan, who is owned by Harper Collins, who also distribute the Satanic Bible. http://www.harpercollins.com/global_script...isbn=0380015390 Did you know that the NIV and Satanic bible both use paper too! I was only pointing that out incase people didn't know. I didn't realize that somebody was going to be so defensive and rude about it and speak down to me as if I were a child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted December 12, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted December 12, 2005 All that I will add to this is that I have read that for myself in the NIV and all that I can say is that it doesn't surpirse me in the least because after all it is published by Zondervan, who is owned by Harper Collins, who also distribute the Satanic Bible. http://www.harpercollins.com/global_script...isbn=0380015390 Did you know that the NIV and Satanic bible both use paper too! I was only pointing that out incase people didn't know. I didn't realize that somebody was going to be so defensive and rude about it and speak down to me as if I were a child. It only adds fuel to the fire. People have been trying to show that Satan influenced the NIV. You were seemingly making the same correlation, which to me, is absolutely absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_raven_1313 Posted December 12, 2005 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 98 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/25/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted December 12, 2005 All that I will add to this is that I have read that for myself in the NIV and all that I can say is that it doesn't surpirse me in the least because after all it is published by Zondervan, who is owned by Harper Collins, who also distribute the Satanic Bible. http://www.harpercollins.com/global_script...isbn=0380015390 Did you know that the NIV and Satanic bible both use paper too! I was only pointing that out incase people didn't know. I didn't realize that somebody was going to be so defensive and rude about it and speak down to me as if I were a child. It only adds fuel to the fire. People have been trying to show that Satan influenced the NIV. You were seemingly making the same correlation, which to me, is absolutely absurd. Why didn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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