3 days 3 nights?

[BlindSeeker]

When did the women go to the tomb -

[Waimahia]

I have appreciated the discussion.

It is surely true that Good Friday-Easter Sunday have nothing to do with the death and resurrection of Our Saviour.

Can someone please point me to a church/denomination which eschews Easter and observes Passover/Unleavened Bread and the other biblical holydays just as Christ and the Apostles did?

Thanks,

Waimahia

[BlindSeeker]

Also, the Greek word translated

[BlindSeeker]

I see your argument is quickly running out of gas. You have never dealt with the verse in question. You only state (erroneously) that Jesus HAD risen at the end of the Sabbath. This forced interpretation corrupts the meaning of the Greek and is not supported by any of the English version. Any reputable Greek scholar does not support it. Sabbatarians either do not understand the Greek or knowingly misuse it to try to support a false doctrine.

This

[Old Timer]

I have not throughly read every post so please pardon my entering this debate but briefly to offer two literal translations of the main verse in question; Matthew 28:1

The LITV:

But late in the sabbaths, at the dawning into the first of the sabbaths, Mary the Magdalene and the other Mary came to gaze upon the grave

YLT:

And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,

This supports BlindSeekers assertion that there were two Sabbaths and also, to some degree, that there was more than one trip by various women to the tomb.

Murdock's translation is interesting,

And in the close [evening] of the sabbath, as the first [day] of the week began to dawn, came Mary of Magdala and the other Mary, to view the sepulchre.

It is difficult to step away from tradition, especially if tradition is held as authoritative by

[Old Timer]

I'd just like to offer the comments and chart at this link. What do you think?

[ValiantForTruth]

I'd just like to offer the comments and chart at this link. What do you think?

I also agree with this chart.

There is an aspect of this discussion that makes this all very easy to understand...

When was Jesus laid in the earth? Most would agree that he died about 3pm and was buried (in the earth) BEFORE 6pm (ie. before sundown) when the next day (Passover) began. THIS should be when the counting begins.

before sunset (Nisan 14) to before sunset (Nisan 15) = 1 night and 1 day.

before sunset (Nisan 15) to before sunset (Nisan 16) = 2nd night and 2nd day.

before sunset (Nisan 16) to before sunset (Nisan 17) = 3rd night and 3rd day.

Before sunset on Nisan 17 fulfills the sign of Jonah.

Before sunset on Nisan 17 thus is the time of the resurrection (according to scripture).

Then plug in your days of the week and count backwards. Since Sunday before sundown is too late, and Friday before sundown is too early (unanimously), we start from Saturday...

Saturday to Friday = 1

Friday to Thursday = 2

Thursday to Wednesday before sundown =3.

Now for the aspect of this discussion that is missing.... Was the stone rolled away so Jesus could come out? or so others could see that he is no longer among the dead? I submit that Jesus was raised from the dead BEFORE THE STONE WAS ROLLED AWAY. And AFTER HE WAS RESURRECTED the events of Matthew 28:1f took place.

NO place in scripture is Jesus said to have been raised on Sunday. ALL references are that He is ALREADY UP. Sunday was when he was first SEEN by anyone (Mary Magdalene being the first to see him). There were no Bibles until about the 16th century (+or - 100yrs). By then doctrine (right or wrong) had been ingrained in pictures, stories, music, etc. which would have its INFLUENCE on how the new Bibles would have been PUNCTUATED. Mark 16:9 is punctuated with the comma coming after the word WEEK.

"Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene."

"Now when Jesus was risen, early the first day of the week he appeared first to Mary Magdalene."

Amazing how the placement of one little comma can change the meaning of what is written.

Also, regarding whether or not Jesus' body saw "any" corruption (none, some, or total) is rather mute to this discussion. He was raised with a NEW BODY. There are many people who have died and there bodies have seen total decay, but they will receive their NEW BODY in due time.

just my $.02

VFT

Edited December 30, 2005 by ValiantForTruth

[ValiantForTruth]

....Also, there's a Psalm about God not letting "his holy one see decay" (quoted in Acts 2:25-31), which seems to be pretty conclusive evidence that even his mortal body did not decay. (It wouldn't make sense to say an immortal body did not see decay, since that would be impossible anyway.)

My understanding of the meaning "letting his holy one see decay" was simply another way of saying that God would RAISE "his holy one" from the dead, in contrast to the alternative (not raising him) which would result in him seeing total decay. I believe that his body DID see "some" decay while in the tomb - he was dead, that's what happens to dead people! Decay doesn't happen all at once but occurs over a period of time. kinda like an apple - it does not become rotten (decay) overnight. But just as Lazarus (who saw some decay) was not only raised up from death, he was healed, ie. his health was totally restored. Same thing with Jesus - his body saw some decay - only God raised him after 3 days in stead of 4 as in the case of Lazarus.

However, when Lazarus was raised from the dead by Jesus, Lazarus was not raised with an immortal body. He eventually died again, and is awaiting the return of Jesus Christ his Lord. Jesus, on the other hand, was raised by God "incorruptible". He was raised to eternal life. His mortal body was "changed" to an immortal/incorruptible body. Lazarus will be raised again (in the future at the second coming). Then Lazarus' corruptible body will be changed to an incorruptible body (like the one Jesus now has). Until then, Lazarus awaits the return of Christ (when this will all take place).

VFT

[ValiantForTruth]

So does anyone have an issue with Palm Sunday really being Saturday? I can't think of any reason it had to be a Sunday, especially by counting backwards from the events of Preparation Day.

I agree with a Saturday entry into Jerusalem - ie. Palm Sunday on Saturday.

VFT

[BlindSeeker]

Here is an old list I made years ago (can't insert it as a chart)


PASSION WEEK

Note: The Jewish days are night first - then day

Tuesday dayJesus' disciples prepare for the Passover.Matt 26:17-19
Luke 22:7-13

Tuesday night (Jewish 4th day of the week begins)The Lord's Passover - 14th day of the 1st month Lev 23:5The last supper - Matt 26:20-29
Luke 22:15-18
Prayer in Gethsememne -Matt 26:36-45
Luke 22:40-46
Jesus arrested -Matt 26:50-55
Matt 27:1-38


Wednesday day - Jewish preparation day for High Sabbath
(day 1 Feast of Unleaven Bread)Jesus crucified around 9 a.m.-Matt 27:31-44
Luke 23:26-43
Darkness covers the land at noon time-Matt 27:45
Luke 23:26-43
Jesus died around 3 p.m.-Matt 27:50-56
Luke 23:45-49
Jesus buried hastily between 3 p.m. and sunset-Matt 27:57-66
Luke 23:50-56

Wednesday night (Jewish 5th day of the week begins - 15th day of the 1st month - day 1 of the feast of unleaven bread begins - a High Sabbath)Jesus in tomb-1st night in the belly of the earth

Thursday dayJesus in tomb-1st day in the belly of the earth

Thursday night (Jewish 6th day of the week begins - end 15th day of the 1st month - end of the High Sabbath)Jesus in tomb-2nd night in the belly of the earth

Friday dayJesus in tomb-2nd day in the belly of the earth

Friday night (Jewish 7th day of the week begins - the Sabbath according to the commandment)Jesus in tomb-3rd night in the belly of the earth

Saturday dayJesus in tomb-3rd day in the belly of the earth - final part of three days and three nights
Jesus arose between 3 p.m. and sunset
Two Marys go to see the tomb . . . He's not there . . . He is risen!Matt 28:1

Saturday night - (Jewish 1st day of the week begins - 7th day Sabbath ends)Multiple trips made to the tomb - see post above.
Sunday dayHe appeared to some of His diciples and they all gather together for fear of the JewsMatt 28:16-20
Mark 16:9-14
Luke 24:1-47
John 20:19

Hope this helps some

Peace

William