Temptation

[MrSealedEternal]

Whatever devotional taught you this, you need to run far, far, far, far away from it.

'TEMPTATION COMES FROM THE LURE OF OUR OWN EVIL DESIRES.' JAMES 1:14

Jesus was tempted. Are we to say it is because of His evil desires?

Temptaiton comes to us all, including our Lord and Savoir....falling into temptation is entirely different.

"Let noone say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God", for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He himself does not tempt anyone. But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust." James 1: 13 & 14 NASB.

Yes, but God, being good, is NOT tempted by evil.

Mrs. SE

That's a false interpretation. The interpretation of peirazo into "tempted" is a false interpretation. The Greek word means to "attempt." This means that one is not being tempted but is actually giving into the temptation. In other words, temptation isn't a bad thing, it happens to us all. The sin occurs when we given into the temptation (peirazo).

Then God, being good, cannot give into evil would be a more worthy statement?

Mrs. SE

Edited December 19, 2005 by Mr*MrsSealedEternal

[Mikeyjay]

Whatever devotional taught you this, you need to run far, far, far, far away from it.

'TEMPTATION COMES FROM THE LURE OF OUR OWN EVIL DESIRES.' JAMES 1:14

Jesus was tempted. Are we to say it is because of His evil desires?

Temptaiton comes to us all, including our Lord and Savoir....falling into temptation is entirely different.

"Let noone say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God", for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He himself does not tempt anyone. But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust." James 1: 13 & 14 NASB.

Yes, but God, being good, is NOT tempted by evil.

Therein lies a difference between God and man.

Thanks be to God whose blessings are a fountain,

Mrs. SE

That's a false interpretation. The interpretation of peirazo into "tempted" is a false interpretation. The Greek word means to "attempt." This means that one is not being tempted but is actually giving into the temptation. In other words, temptation isn't a bad thing, it happens to us all. The sin occurs when we given into the temptation (peirazo).

I do not believe that this is a false interpretation...actually, after reading this through and through i don't see where Super Jew's argument differs from the original statement...they really seem to be saying the same thing...just with a slightly different perspective !!!

You are both stating that Jesus was tempted but because He was God He could not give in to this temptation !!!

Though Jesus was 100% God He was also 100% man, lest we forget this, Yet, because He knew who He was in the Father He did not give in to the temptations from the evil-one!!! And i believe that the OP's point here was, for us to know who we are in God and to know that without Him we could do nothing, and to make ourselves to be humble before Him to allow Him to do great things within and through us !!!

Well done, Hannah i loved this post and i believe that this is a great example for us all to help us take up our lives and surrender ourselves unto the Lord God Almighty !!!

[Guest NewPilgrim]

It would be nice, just once, for someone to make an encouraging and sound post without being undermined by a long diversion into legalism.

Kerdos, I've been searching ur posts to try and prove myself wrong, but I'm sad to say that all I see in ur posts apart from debate, is critisism. So far the only encouragement I've managed to find was this one in "Church of Christ" thread:

Also, Horizon, you weasled out of that one quite well

Please prove me wrong and I'll respectfully resind these comments, with an apology.

It would be nice to see a little more encouragement from you

Footnote: Afraid I couldnt make this post without falling into the obvious irony. Apologies.

Edited December 19, 2005 by NewPilgrim

[Mikeyjay]

It would be nice, just once, for someone to make an encouraging and sound post without being undermined by a long diversion into legalism.

AMEN !!!

[apothanein kerdos]

It would be nice, just once, for someone to make an encouraging and sound post without being undermined by a long diversion into legalism.

Ah, you're right, let false doctrine just flow through the church...such as temptation is our own fault.

This thread doesn't encourage, it tells people that if they face a temptation it's their own fault. That's the antithesis of encouragement.

As far as proving myself to you, you are famous for false doctrine (often anti-semetic) on this board, so why should I feel th eneed to prove myself to you?

Now, instead of attacking me and questioning me, why don't you actually look up what I said and see if it's true. I know this is sometimes a difficult concept (as attacking a person is much easier), but trust me, you'll gain more out of it.

[MrSealedEternal]

[apothanein kerdos]

I am saying that God has been tempted but has not fallen into temptation (peirazo). Being tempted and falling into temptaiton, while both translated "tempted" into English, are two different words in the Greek.

[>> Hannah <<]

look kerdos! i am sorry if what i put was wrong. sorry i am not as scriptually sound as you are. it is the first post i have ever done. n thanks to you i wont be writing another one. i just wanted to share wat i had learnt, heaven forbid that hey!

[apothanein kerdos]

look kerdos! i am sorry if what i put was wrong. sorry i am not as scriptually sound as you are. it is the first post i have ever done. n thanks to you i wont be writing another one. i just wanted to share wat i had learnt, heaven forbid that hey!

And it was nothing against you. If it were, I would have accused you of not being scripturally sound. Instead, I told you to run far away from the devontional. We need to always be open to learning, criticism, and different opinions. These are the things which help us grow.

[book_wirm]

That's a false interpretation. The interpretation of peirazo into "tempted" is a false interpretation. The Greek word means to "attempt." This means that one is not being tempted but is actually giving into the temptation. In other words, temptation isn't a bad thing, it happens to us all. The sin occurs when we given into the temptation (peirazo).

Yet we read in Mark 1:13 that Jesus was "there in the wilderness forty days, tempted (peirazo) of Satan..." The scriptures also record that Christ "was in all points tempted (peirazo) like as we are, yet without sin." Christ did not "attempt" the things which Satan presented to Him. Peirazo, then, has more meanings than only to attempt something.

Review James 1. He is speaking there of a source of temptation and says that no temptation to sin comes from God but from our own lusts. Is this the only source? Of course not. As we read in Mark, Satan brings temptation as well.

Temptation, then can be internal, as it is with men, or external, as with Christ. In either event temptation (peirazo) can mean simply to entice or to be tried as well as what you have listed it as. James points out to us that being sinful creatures we can be enticed even by our ownsevles in the form of lusts, but never by God.

The passage does not neccesitate that peirazo be read as actually taking part in the sin. Beginning in verse 15 James continues on to tell us how our lusts, when they conceive, bring about sin. So, yes, you are correct that temptation itself is no sin, yet this passage does not discuss those who fall into it...only one of its sources.

In Christ,

Eric