Temptation

[Guest NewPilgrim]

you are famous for false doctrine (often anti-semetic) on this board

I wasn't aware of that. With the exeption of my "Fall of Adam" thread, which I'm quite aware is disagreed with by the vast majority, I didnt realise that so much of my posting was false. Of course I disagree with you on the nature and necessity of baptism, but I'd hardly say that singles me out, nor warrants the label "famous for bad doctrine"

I certainly don't consider myself anti-semetic and have no idea what viewpoints of mine would believe you to think that.

Please provide the evidence for your claims and I'll humbly offer my apologies for whatever offences you feel I've commited by them.

Thanks for the encouragement

[forrestkc]

Whatever devotional taught you this, you need to run far, far, far, far away from it.

'TEMPTATION COMES FROM THE LURE OF OUR OWN EVIL DESIRES.' JAMES 1:14

Jesus was tempted. Are we to say it is because of His evil desires?

Temptaiton comes to us all, including our Lord and Savoir....falling into temptation is entirely different.

"Let noone say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God", for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He himself does not tempt anyone. But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust." James 1: 13 & 14 NASB.

Yes, but God, being good, is NOT tempted by evil.

Therein lies a difference between God and man.

Thanks be to God whose blessings are a fountain,

Mrs. SE

That's a false interpretation. The interpretation of peirazo into "tempted" is a false interpretation. The Greek word means to "attempt." This means that one is not being tempted but is actually giving into the temptation. In other words, temptation isn't a bad thing, it happens to us all. The sin occurs when we given into the temptation (peirazo).

Good point, you could live a life so exemplary that it would make Mother Theresa look like Larry Flint, but you are still going to be tempted every time you see a hot chick on the way to work. Temptation is not sinful, it

Edited December 20, 2005 by forrestkc

[apothanein kerdos]

That's a false interpretation. The interpretation of peirazo into "tempted" is a false interpretation. The Greek word means to "attempt." This means that one is not being tempted but is actually giving into the temptation. In other words, temptation isn't a bad thing, it happens to us all. The sin occurs when we given into the temptation (peirazo).

Yet we read in Mark 1:13 that Jesus was "there in the wilderness forty days, tempted (peirazo) of Satan..." The scriptures also record that Christ "was in all points tempted (peirazo) like as we are, yet without sin." Christ did not "attempt" the things which Satan presented to Him. Peirazo, then, has more meanings than only to attempt something.

Review James 1. He is speaking there of a source of temptation and says that no temptation to sin comes from God but from our own lusts. Is this the only source? Of course not. As we read in Mark, Satan brings temptation as well.

Temptation, then can be internal, as it is with men, or external, as with Christ. In either event temptation (peirazo) can mean simply to entice or to be tried as well as what you have listed it as. James points out to us that being sinful creatures we can be enticed even by our ownsevles in the form of lusts, but never by God.

The passage does not neccesitate that peirazo be read as actually taking part in the sin. Beginning in verse 15 James continues on to tell us how our lusts, when they conceive, bring about sin. So, yes, you are correct that temptation itself is no sin, yet this passage does not discuss those who fall into it...only one of its sources.

In Christ,

Eric

I would accept this translation. I was looking at a lexicon and obviously it was missing that key factor.

I certainly don't consider myself anti-semetic and have no idea what viewpoints of mine would believe you to think that.

Replacement theology is what you believe, correct?

[Guest NewPilgrim]

replacement theology is pretty much the polar opposite of what I believe. What have I said to give you that idea??

The only post I can think of where we discussed Jews is this one:

G-d

though I'm not sure how acknowledging the fact that Jews and Christians both worship Yahweh is indicative of anti-semitism or replacement theology. Perhaps you had a different post in mind?

Re: being FAMOUS for false doctrine.

Please either present tangible evidence or print an apology. I dont take kindly to potentially liablous comments like this.

Edited December 20, 2005 by NewPilgrim

[apothanein kerdos]

replacement theology is pretty much the polar opposite of what I believe. What have I said to give you that idea??

The only post I can think of where we discussed Jews is this one:

G-d

though I'm not sure how acknowledging the fact that Jews and Christians both worship Yahweh is indicative of anti-semitism or replacement theology. Perhaps you had a different post in mind?

I do see where the confusion came in. A poster by the name of "Pilgrim 7" came in and was asserting the idea of replacement theology. This I apologize for.

Re: being FAMOUS for false doctrine.

Please either present tangible evidence or print an apology. I dont take kindly to potentially liablous comments like this.

This I won't. Salvation by works (i.e. baptism) is a false doctrine. Stating that God would not have the government give justice and then all but saying Genesis 9 is null and void. The claim that homosexuality is not a sin, just the practice is (which is absurd). Shall I continue?

[MrSealedEternal]

That's a false interpretation. The interpretation of peirazo into "tempted" is a false interpretation. The Greek word means to "attempt." This means that one is not being tempted but is actually giving into the temptation. In other words, temptation isn't a bad thing, it happens to us all. The sin occurs when we given into the temptation (peirazo).

Yet we read in Mark 1:13 that Jesus was "there in the wilderness forty days, tempted (peirazo) of Satan..." The scriptures also record that Christ "was in all points tempted (peirazo) like as we are, yet without sin." Christ did not "attempt" the things which Satan presented to Him. Peirazo, then, has more meanings than only to attempt something.

Review James 1. He is speaking there of a source of temptation and says that no temptation to sin comes from God but from our own lusts. Is this the only source? Of course not. As we read in Mark, Satan brings temptation as well.

Temptation, then can be internal, as it is with men, or external, as with Christ. In either event temptation (peirazo) can mean simply to entice or to be tried as well as what you have listed it as. James points out to us that being sinful creatures we can be enticed even by our ownsevles in the form of lusts, but never by God.

The passage does not neccesitate that peirazo be read as actually taking part in the sin. Beginning in verse 15 James continues on to tell us how our lusts, when they conceive, bring about sin. So, yes, you are correct that temptation itself is no sin, yet this passage does not discuss those who fall into it...only one of its sources.

In Christ,

Eric

I would accept this translation. I was looking at a lexicon and obviously it was missing that key factor.

Well then, we are in agreement and have reached an understanding.

God Bless,

Mrs. SE

Edited December 20, 2005 by Mr*MrsSealedEternal

[Guest NewPilgrim]

Salvation by works (i.e. baptism) is a false doctrine.

I've never claimed that, I argue against it frequently and openly. If youve seen me state otherwise, please quote it.

Stating that God would not have the government give justice and then all but saying Genesis 9 is null and void.

I did not state that God would not have the Government give justice. I DID say that God gave the government the authority of justice and that they have the power of leniancy if they see fit. I also stated that the premise of Christs work and ministry abolishing the death penalty is my opinion and gave the reasons why I believe it, I never claimed it was an infallible fact. The reason we didnt get to the bones of Genesis 9 is because you ignored my question as to whether or not you believed the same law applies as part of Mosaic law today (as part of the same line of discussion).

The claim that homosexuality is not a sin, just the practice is (which is absurd).

I actually said this:

Its not a sin to be a homosexual any more than it is a sin to be a gentile. What IS a sin, is to practice homosexuality and therein lies the great debate. If we make a practise of any sin then we are in direct disobedience to God, be it sex outside marriage, compulsive lying, gambling, idolitry, whatever.

When taken in context I'd hope that reader would be able to perceive the point that having homosexual tendencies is a facet of the sinful nature which is something we all have whether we're gentile (adendem follows) jew, male, female, black, white, young, old, gay, straight etc etc...

I may well have opinions that differ from yours Kerdos, but your implication is that the majority of readers on Worthy consider my views in particluar to be based on false doctrine, placing yourself as a spokesperson for those people. I'd say again, unless you can prove that I am FAMOUS on worthy for being a peddlar of false doctrine then please post a formal apology. You seem to have taken rather badly to a personal critisism which I made and decided to reduce it to a slagging match. If you feel unable or unwilling to respond to either of my two requests, I shall seek guidance from the admin staff.

Furthermore, if in future you want to represent my opinions on these posts, I respectfully request that you quote my words in context from the original threads. Thankyou.

[Mikeyjay]

I believe that 'apothanein kerdos' is famous for mis-interpretation !!!

[KatieK]

Hannah, Hey if you're still there I can go with most of you devotionals thoughts there are some important truths in there. If this has all made you wonder if it's a good devotional then pray about it and take a break. All of you need to keep in mind that it is a human writing not the Holy, unfailable, Word of God. it is only to be expected that all human books should be expected to fail at times. Test what you read and be sure it's real. Most of your thoughts were true so far as I could see and I needed to hear them. Thanks!

Thank you Eric the book wirm, You were very helpful. Your explaination made perfect sense yet you didn't have t slam anyone to make your point.

Kerdos, Being human we can't know everything or always be right. Even the strongest in the Lord fall and get confused sometimes do they not. Keep in mind that if they have accepted Christ they are your family. Correcting where you see wrong so that it may be corrected is good but be a little nice as not to hurt that person. Jesus told people how wrong they were but he did so in love not the distaste that appears in your writing. I'm glad you're not afarid to convict wrongs. Far to many Christians are making a mockery of the Truth by being all encouraging and happy but foresaking honesty. Be gental and humble or no one will listen to you. I learned that when I debated with an Atheist both of us walked away more conviced of ourselves because you don't listen when you are attacked only when approched humblely.

Love in Christ,

Katie

[KatieK]

Hannah, Hey if you're still there I can go with most of you devotionals thoughts there are some important truths in there. If this has all made you wonder if it's a good devotional then pray about it and take a break. All of you need to keep in mind that it is a human writing not the Holy, unfailable, Word of God. it is only to be expected that all human books should be expected to fail at times. Test what you read and be sure it's real. Most of your thoughts were true so far as I could see and I needed to hear them. Thanks!

Thank you Eric the book wirm, You were very helpful. Your explaination made perfect sense yet you didn't have t slam anyone to make your point.

Kerdos, Being human we can't know everything or always be right. Even the strongest in the Lord fall and get confused sometimes do they not. Keep in mind that if they have accepted Christ they are your family. Correcting where you see wrong so that it may be corrected is good but be a little nice as not to hurt that person. Jesus told people how wrong they were but he did so in love not the distaste that appears in your writing. I'm glad you're not afarid to convict wrongs. Far to many Christians are making a mockery of the Truth by being all encouraging and happy but foresaking honesty. Be gental and humble or no one will listen to you. I learned that when I debated with an Atheist both of us walked away more conviced of ourselves because you don't listen when you are attacked only when approched humblely.

Love in Christ,

Katie

Whats with you guys?! New Pilgrim and Mikelyjay have joined the attack squad. I say to you what I said to Kerdos. You're all family yet you appear to hate each other. You are commanded to Love each other ! Quit e the personal attacks it not goning to help anyone or get your point across. Still I find myself compelled to condemn as you do all the time so I am no one to talk or judge you. I truly apologize if I sound that way. I'm new here.

Love in Christ,

Katie