the OTHERS crucified with Christ

[Guest Spirit of God]

Since some current conversations have been pertaining to the crucifixion, I thought it would be a good time to ask, "How many were crucified WITH Christ?"

2 or 4 ?

Tradition has taught us that Jesus was crucified between two thieves. That is what I was taught, and no doubt you too. We see this depicted frequently in Christian art by depicting the crucifixion with 3 crosses. But is tradition likeminded with scripture, or does scripture back up tradition?

For example...when Jesus was being led to Calvary, two thieves were led with him.

But in other places we read that AFTER they parted his garments and cast lots, two more were crucified with him.

Also, in one reference when Jesus is being rebuked, one said "remember me..."

But in another reference it says BOTH cast the same in his teeth.

What say you?

I say there were 4 and scripture backs it up!!

VFT

The eye witnesses say that two were crucufied with Christ. Lukes gospel is two hundred years after Christ so his account would be no different than someone today giving their account.

Mt 27:38 - Then two robbers were crucified with Him, one on the right and another on the left.

Mt 27:44 - Even the robbers who were crucified with Him reviled Him with the same thing.

Mr 15:27 - With Him they also crucified two robbers, one on His right and the other on His left

[ValiantForTruth]

opou auton estaurosan kai met autou allous duo enteuthen kai entueuthen meson de ton iesous

The part you're ignoring is the "allous duo" which, when translated, means "and two others." So yes we see that duo is used, but it doesn't mean anything w hen put in context. Looking to "enteuthen kai enteuthen then means nothing either, in Greek it's VERY common for a word to be repeated just to add effect. This is the same case. If not, then there would be a contradiction within the sentence.

opou auton estaurosan kai met autou allous duo enteuthen kai entueuthen meson de ton iesous

"....and with him others two on either side..."

"enteuthen kai entueuthen" occurs only two times in the Bible, here and Rev.22:2, and is translated "on either side" both places.

VFT

[ValiantForTruth]

The eye witnesses say that two were crucufied with Christ. Lukes gospel is two hundred years after Christ so his account would be no different than someone today giving their account.

Mt 27:38 - Then two robbers were crucified with Him, one on the right and another on the left.

Mt 27:44 - Even the robbers who were crucified with Him reviled Him with the same thing.

Mr 15:27 - With Him they also crucified two robbers, one on His right and the other on His left

If we toss the book of Luke, then did both robbers cast the same in his teeth, or only one? How do you know? (remember you tossed the book of Luke).

VFT

[ruah brit]

The eye witnesses say that two were crucufied with Christ. Lukes gospel is two hundred years after Christ so his account would be no different than someone today giving their account.

Mt 27:38 - Then two robbers were crucified with Him, one on the right and another on the left.

Mt 27:44 - Even the robbers who were crucified with Him reviled Him with the same thing.

Mr 15:27 - With Him they also crucified two robbers, one on His right and the other on His left

If we toss the book of Luke, then did both robbers cast the same in his teeth, or only one? How do you know? (remember you tossed the book of Luke).

VFT

I think that matthew 27:44 answered your question. Notice it says "robbers" not "one of the robbers"". But John also an eye witness testifies of two being crucified with Christ. And nothing else significant enough for John to mention.

John 19

18 where they crucified Him, and two others with Him, one on either side, and Jesus in the center.

Denise

Edited January 5, 2006 by ruah brit