Speaking in Tongues

[elkieDannsa' Air An Drochaid]

CHRIST has not returned yet, when HE that is perfect (Jesus) returns at HIs second coming , ...so we still have the gifts today.

We seek the Giver not the gifts. But, they are still here.

BE CAREFUL:

what we say lest we blaspheme the Holy Spirit.

We can ask of GOD, if we have not or understand not and HE will give to those who truely seek HIM.

[elkieDannsa' Air An Drochaid]

another thought there for those opposed, beside that being unscriptual, if it is only known language, there would not be an interperter needed! Let us reason together. Alot of people who say it is confusion, have never seen what it really is all about and how it works Biblically.

I am careful to discuss this as not to allow any blaspheme of the Holy Spirit as we all should be here on this ..... Let us hold our horses and toungesand pray on the matter, trustin GOd in ALL THINGS. We never want to say what is the Working of The Holy SPirit as anything less, better not to speak then!! (lest you unwittingly blaspheme the Holy Spirit in your unbelief and ignorance)

Too many times people do not reason on all the scripture and too many times when we don't understand something we doubt GOd when we should doubt our own understanding limited as we are before an all knowing CREATOR!

GIFTS are here and this one is used for;

along with interpertation; to show unbelievers that this (the church) is of God as their source, that they may find God, (to Gods glory)

to edify the church itself,

for prayers for one another,

for prayers we give to others or for ourselves-and this can be at church or home or anyplace.

IT is strong prayer!

This is done in orderly fashion and if people have been doing it in disorder, than it is only order they need to learn. Simple as an announcement beofre church;

if you have something for the church then say alound and it should have interpertation,,

if this is for your self or private (as in private prayers for soemone, does not mean private in ways of secret), please do so quietly in your seat as not to disturb the church,

as God is GOd of order and not of confusion.

It really is that simple.

Alot of what we hear today is both gossip and blaspheme against the powerful working of the Holy SPirit.

This prayer is the language of angels also.

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Another topic here but;

MOST OF ALL seek the GIVER not only the gift(we do ask GOD for gifts adn the holy Spirit dicerns over us what HE will give)

Know the Holy Spirit living in you. Know the voice of the Shepherd, for all HIs sheep HE said, know MY Voice!

Do not let yourself be mislead by those who would use this for personal gain. IT is for GODS WORK ALONE.

IF someone uses this for personal gain, though he save another- he himself has already gotten his reward!

YOU can know the difference when you know the Holy Spirit living in you.

We can know the difference what is of GOd and what is not, and we will not be deceived! ever!

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[Guest LadyC]

if it is only known language, there would not be an interperter needed!

in every instance i've seen it said in this thread that it was a known language, it seemed apparant to me that what was meant was that it was a language known to mankind, yet not known within the congregation or to the person using the gift as God intended it. the language being spoken may be a "dead" language, one no longer used, (usually, if i understand correctly, a language that was used at the Bible was being written) but it IS a known language. and that is a correct assessment. however, when one gives someone the gift in the setting of a congregation, it is also GOD who gives someone the gift of interpreting it, also. the interpreter does not personally know the language either. BOTH incidents are a manifestation of the Holy Spirit. if no interpretation was forthcoming, then the person who did the speaking in tongues was not doing so in accordance with scripture, and therefore not of the Holy Spirit. (i'm not speaking here of private prayer, but of the public use of tongues.)

[thunderbyrd]

this is a debate i refuse to enter into anymore. i believe in tongues, i pray in tongues, but i don't really promote it much anymore.

i have observed the lives of those who both do and don't speak in tongues and i have come to the conclusion that Love is the most excellent way. I deeply desire to be in unity with all my brothers and sisters in Christ, because i know we need each other.

Edited January 2, 2006 by thunderbyrd

[Guest LadyC]

thunderbyrd, this thread isn't debating the validity of tongues. the original poster asked if we could shed some light on the subject because they had never been around people that did until they recently began going to a church where tongues are being used, and they feel uncomfortable there. perhaps you could help provide that person with some insight without it becoming a heated debate. nobody here in this thread has said (that i've seen) that it isn't biblical, or isn't relevant... although one person did comment that there are people who believe it isn't.

[Guest diet]

speaking in tongues is a gift that's given by the Holy Spirit 'our Intercessor'.

there are times we need the spirit of God to help in the place of prayer ,so we would be able to pray as we ought to.

this happens even in the place of worship ,i sometimes run out of words that could adequately express what i feel about God. at times like this what i do is that i release myself trusting the the Spirit of God to help me.

if the gift of speaking with a strange tongue manifests i dont struggle to find out the meaning of what am saying ,because the Holy Spirit knows my heart and would not work contrary to my desires.

its however noteworthy to know that ,it's not every time the HolySpirit helps your Spiritman in the place of prayer that you must speak with a strange tongue.

atimes you will pray in your understanding, knowing fully well that the words you r uttering are not what you would have oridinarily thot of.

[Razberry]

I'll be the first to admit I know little to nothing about speaking in tongues. I do know that members of an apostolic church told me once that I could not receive the Holy Spirit until I did speak in tongues. This was a complete fallacy. I received the Holy Spirit the second I received Christ as my Savior.

I do wonder though, if it's not supposed to be done unless an interpreter is present, then why do it without an interpreter? Also, doesn't anyone wonder how someone has the "power" to interpret? He could be saying, "this prayer is interpreted as such and such" and how would anyone know the difference? Sorry to sound so skeptical, but I am.

I've always wondered if at pentecost, the gift of tongues wasn't simply one person being gifted with the ability to speak in a language completely foreign to them, but understood perfectly as another people's dialect, rather than just babble. I mean, like a person being enabled to speak Russian, who had never even heard Russian before, so that Russians could understand the good news.

I just don't understand the need to speak in a special prayer language you can't even understand. I think when my soul is in such turmoil I can't speak the proper words to the Father, the Holy Spirit intercedes for me, without a special language. I'm not saying I find this totally false, I'm just saying I don't understand it at all.

I'm more than willing to accept any gift God wants to bestow on me though.

YSIC, robin

[Constant]

I never knew how someone could speak in tongues. My half sister Carol and I were driving in her car a couple of years ago and all of a sudden she started talking some weird language. She just went on and on for like ten minutes. I was staring at her like "what the heck?"

She explained to me that she was given a gift and that she was speaking in tongues. I obvioiusly thought she was crazy but I now realize that there is such a thing as it. It is relly neat and cool to hear it.