The Trinity?

[Ovedya]

The term at the right hand of God points to his exalted position he now is active on. There is numerous things that need to be considered to understand this phrase. The phrase right hand is a metaphor, God exercises his authority by his right hand.

Hmmm...then Stephen saw a metaphore?

Also, "sit" and "stand" are locative - pronouns in the English language.

So Stephen saw a Spirit being (God) and Jesus?

Wouldn't this be polytheism or subordinationism?

Please don't answer a question with a question. I am challenging your assertion that the term "right hand of God" is merely a metaphor.

Is Jesus God or not?

Yes, Jesus is God the Father manifest in flesh. He is both fully God and fully man. This has been my stance since the beginning. And by the way, I believe I have answered more of your questions than you have of mine. You are saying over and over again that Stephen saw two persons in heaven and the third person was inside him. So you are saying there was another person inside of Stephen and that when heaven opened up, Stephen saw Jesus as He was on earth and Stephen saw God the Spirit. How come Stephen is the only man in the history of the world who can see a spirit. By definition a spirit is invisible!

I feel like I am in a trinity nightmare here. I answer your questions and they are not good enough. I ask questions and get another question or an answer that isn't good enough. On and on we go.

Actually, I've written none of those things, brother, and neither has Eric. You have yet to grapple with the real issues, without sidestepping them. You wrote that "the right hand of God" is a metaphor. I asked you if Sptephen saw a metaphor and, instead of answering directly, you asked two questions.

If Jesus Christ is fully God, as you just wrote then, as I see it, you have only three possible explanations for what Stephen saw: 1) Stephen didn't actually see what he claimed, in which case you'd have to say he was delusional, 2) Stephen actually saw Jesus standing at the right hand of God, in which case you have some serious issues with your theological stance, 3) Stephen actually saw Jesus at the right hand of God and, rather than coming to some wild conclusion or trying to explain it away, you can just accept that Jesus is God and God the Father is also God.

You can't be a modalist and believe that Stephen saw Jesus and God together.

In likewise fashion, you can't be a modalist and believe that Jesus is God, when God spoke from the heavens on two separate occasions saying, "This is my Son, the Beloved, in whom I have found my delight." (See Matthew 3:17 and 17:5 respectively).

[Ovedya]

The term at the right hand of God points to his exalted position he now is active on. There is numerous things that need to be considered to understand this phrase. The phrase right hand is a metaphor, God exercises his authority by his right hand.

Hmmm...then Stephen saw a metaphore?

Also, "sit" and "stand" are locative - pronouns in the English language.

So Stephen saw a Spirit being (God) and Jesus?

Wouldn't this be polytheism or subordinationism?

No. it would only be Polytheism if we said they were two separate Gods. They are the same God, two persons

By saying "they" you are saying it whether you admit to it or not!

No chad, I am not. We have answered all your questions. Would you show us the same consideration by answering ours rather than just firing back question after question?

What is your question?

[Ovedya]

He is both fully God and fully man.

BTW: Regarding the quote above....that's unity in plurality.

[Brother Chad]

The term at the right hand of God points to his exalted position he now is active on. There is numerous things that need to be considered to understand this phrase. The phrase right hand is a metaphor, God exercises his authority by his right hand.

Hmmm...then Stephen saw a metaphore?

Also, "sit" and "stand" are locative - pronouns in the English language.

So Stephen saw a Spirit being (God) and Jesus?

Wouldn't this be polytheism or subordinationism?

No. it would only be Polytheism if we said they were two separate Gods. They are the same God, two persons

By saying "they" you are saying it whether you admit to it or not!

No chad, I am not. We have answered all your questions. Would you show us the same consideration by answering ours rather than just firing back question after question?

What is your question?

Stephen saw Jesus!!

[Brother Chad]

He is both fully God and fully man.

BTW: Regarding the quote above....that's unity in plurality.

Maybe so, but not in the sense you are trying to come up with. Even Trinitarians believe Jesus was fully a man, right?

[Brother Chad]

So answer me this, when God says that he uses the earth as a footstool, what does He mean?

[EricH]

I sense we have reached the end here. Both sides of the position have presented their position and indicated their ability to respond to questions from the other side. If one party is not going to respond to questions from the other side, debate has really ceased. I am going to close this thread