Moral collapse of the mankind

[PetriFB]

http://koti.phnet.fi/elohim/Lastdays1

David Wilkerson has very good anticipated this matter, in other words the development, also in his well-known book "N

[Marnie]

And notice God's response? harsher and harsher chastisements and judgements by allowing terrorists to pull off the most successful sneak attack in history, and by allowing 7 category 5 hurricanes to form in a matter of 4 years, 3 in the same year.

Again I ask, as in your other post, are these judgments from G-d? Are we not living in the Age of Grace? This is not to say that man is "getting away with it," for it is certain judgment is forthcoming, but is it now? Your assertion that 9/11 was the most successful sneak attack in history is incorrect. There have been many sneak attacks, one thinks of the Tojan Horse in ancient history. More recently, there was the sneak attach that happened at Pearl Harbour, which precipitated our entrance into World War 2. As far as big hurricanes are concerned, there have been hurricanes since time began. One could argue that if you build your house below sea level in a known hurricane area, you are asking for trouble.

We have seen entire cities wiped out by disasters across the world in the past 3 years, the media always uses the term, "disaster of Biblical proportions", and yet so few consider that most disasters in the Bible were sent by the Wrath of God against sinful people.

Just beause the media says it, is it true? I agree G-d whiped out entire civivilations in the Bible, but this happened in the OT, which was not under the dispensation of grace as we are.

If you mention such a thing, you get the "Oh, a God of love would never do such a thing"..."Don't you know? God would neeeeeeeeeeeever kill 100,000 people with a tsunami, just because they were in sin..."

You are correct, many Christians forget the other side of G-d, a G-d of jealous anger and judgment. But He is also a G-d of long suffering patience, and is permitting this age of grace for the gospel to be preached and for souls to be saved. Again I put the question to you, are the people in Louisiana or India more sinful that the people in Ohio or New England? Why not send a judgment or two to those places?

But this is no new lie. As Solomon said, "There is no new thing under the sun. That which has been is that which shall be..."

Ezekiel 9:9

Then said he unto me, The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great, and the land is full of blood, and the city full of perverseness: for they say, The LORD hath forsaken the earth, and the LORD seeth not.

The verse you quote has nothing to do with America or the Church. Why reference it?

Man is still telling himself the same old lie, "God doesn't see..."

When you pummell me with your response, please don't misquote me. G-d does NOT tolerate sin. However, living in an age of grace as we are, His wrath is being stored up for now, but there will come a time when His wrath is poured out on the earth and man will face not only that, but also a final judgment. The sinner gets away with nothing.

[Marnie]

While all of this might be, we need to be very careful about pronouncing natural disasters as the judgement od God.

Right on!

Remember the book of Job? Unless you can come out and say "Thus sayeth the Lord! (Fill in the blank) happend because of (

On the other hand, God disciplines those whom he loves. If he is doing these things to chasten us, we can rejoice in the fact that we are still his. For if we are truly a nation of unbelievers, he would not punish us, only allow us to go aur way and turn us over to our own degrading passions. "Romans 1:18-36"

Great and reasoned post!

[RustyAngeL]

IS comming? I think it is already here. In spite of having elected a President who prefesses to be Christian, our slouch towards Gomorra continues unabated.

Professes to be a Christian? Are you judging his faith? And please don't tell me your blaming him for the moral collapas of mankind.

[WISDOM]

http://koti.phnet.fi/elohim/Lastdays1

David Wilkerson has very good anticipated this matter, in other words the development, also in his well-known book "N

[Adarian]

WhySoBlind has made no mistake in His assessment. He uses figures of speech and artistic reference where a statement about one people applies to another people because God is no respecter of persons. As with Judah, so also with America.

Grace applies only to the BABeliever. All others are under the written law and therefore under wrath, where sudden judgement is par for the course.

Butero: really good post. I agree totally.

Edited February 11, 2006 by Adarian