Scripture and Angels

[Guest truespirit]

Hi!

I was wondering if any of you might be able to highlight some of the scripture that talks about angels. This is an area that really confuses me.

I have certainly heard about references to angels in terms of those sent by God. Others say that the devil has angels working for him also. And do angels walk the earth still today, seriously? Those types of quesstions, I guess. I know that many of you have really good knowledge of the Bible, so if anyone might be able to help me out here I would really appreciate it.

A second question I have deals with fasting, in terms of the Biblical references to this practice. I remember one account from the Bible that talked about that area where people would fast for a week, during which they were not allowed to eat leavened bread, if I remember correctly? After that week, they could return to eating leavened bread. Where can I find that in the Bible, as well as any others similar in nature to it, etc?

Thanks so much to any of you that might be able to help me out again. Take care.

[EricH]

Angels have not always existed. They were created by God at a specific point in time. (Nehemiah 9:6). They can exercise moral judgement (2 Peter 2:4) and are capable of speech (Matthew 28:5). They are spiritual creatures and do not possess ordinary human bodies (Luke 24:39). They cannot usually be seen by us unless God makes special provision for this. They are called many names in scripture: sons of God (Jon 1:6); holy ones (Psalm 89:5) spirits (Hebrews 1:14); watchers (Daniel 4:13) and many others. There seem to be different types of angels: Cherubim (Genesis 3:24) and Seraphim (Isaiah 6:2-7), and there also seems to be a rank and order among them (i.e. Michael is called the archangel in Jude 9). Only 2 angels are named personally in the Bible (Michael and Gabriel).

Angels do not marry (Luke 20:34-36) and have very great power (Psalm 103:20). Angels carry out God's wishes. They bring messages to people (Luke 1:11-19); they carry out some of God's judgements (2 Samuel 24:16-17) and when Christ returns they will come with HIm as a great army (Matthew 16:27). They currently patrol the earth as God's representatives (Zechariah 1:10-11) and wage war with Satan and his demons (Revelation 12:7-8).

Angels sometimes take human form and interact with us so that we are unaware that we have encountered an angelic presence (Hebrews 13:2)

[willsmom]

I want to address your question about fasting.

I believe that you can fast off of other things, not just food. For example if you are attached to soft drinks, you could give them up. I have heard of people giving up television or a particular food. I think anything that is truly a sacrifice is accepted by God.

K.

[Guest TalktoAngels]

Hello- I am not very well versed in the Bible, but this I do know. Angels do exists. Also

when God cast Satan out of heaven, he was an angel. God at the same time cast out those

who followed Satan's reasoning. They, like us, have a free will. To choose God or not.

Angels are all around us. There is a spiritual warfare going on constantly between the good

and bad. They do exists. I DO NOT TALK to ANGELS, however, I see them and have for a

long time now. It is a gift given by God Almighty and I have in the past several years been

so beset by problems, worries, sickness, etc that I assumed I had lost that ability. SILLY ME!

God doesn't give you a gift and then take it back!!!!

I am new to the Worthy website and am having difficulty navigating thru it. Not use to talking

to others this way. I will do some scripture searches in the Bible and see what I can find

that might help you out.

[Guest torahdelight]

Hi!

I was wondering if any of you might be able to highlight some of the scripture that talks about angels. This is an area that really confuses me.

I have certainly heard about references to angels in terms of those sent by God. Others say that the devil has angels working for him also. And do angels walk the earth still today, seriously? Those types of quesstions, I guess. I know that many of you have really good knowledge of the Bible, so if anyone might be able to help me out here I would really appreciate it.

A second question I have deals with fasting, in terms of the Biblical references to this practice. I remember one account from the Bible that talked about that area where people would fast for a week, during which they were not allowed to eat leavened bread, if I remember correctly? After that week, they could return to eating leavened bread. Where can I find that in the Bible, as well as any others similar in nature to it, etc?

Thanks so much to any of you that might be able to help me out again. Take care.

I am intrigued by the verse that says... "Do not forget to entertain strangers, for by doing so some have unwittingly entertained angels. Hebrews 13:2 There are many other Bible verses that share what angels are to do. One thing is for certain, they are for G-d's glory and purpose! Amen!

[Giaour]

I can't say if it was an angel or the hand of God but I was saved from certain death by divine intervention.

I felt my body being held down and a voice telling me that I'm okay.

[Guest truespirit]

Thanks again so much for your help, all of you. I appreciate your responses very much.

I always knew that lucifer had been an angel, so I have some of the basics down. Yet when it comes to the place that angels have in today's world, that's where the confusion is a little bit. A lot of what you covered here helps me put it into perspective. Thanks again for the help.

The leavened/unleavened bread discussion was another area of confusion for me. I knew the use of unleavened bread was connected more with Jewish tradition, although I believe that this was also the type of bread that Jesus used during the Last Supper.

I've read a lot of different opinions about this topic. Some argue that we should still use unleavened bread at certain times, while at least one other person's article I came across said that this belief is incorrect.

Thanks again to all of you. I'll try to get this sorted out. God Bless

Edited February 16, 2006 by truespirit

[branchesofHim]

Angels are absolutely spiritual beings. They have no flesh to contend with. They are spirit - only spirit. They are created by God, for God, and for man.

Hebrews 1

"1": God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

"2": Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

"3": Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

"4": Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

"5": For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

"6": And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

"7": And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

"8": But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

"9": Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

"10": And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

"11": They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;

"12": And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

"13": But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

"14": Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Are angels not ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

"TalktoAngels" is a good name. Everytime we speak, we speak spirit. Jesus said, "The words I speak unto you, they are spirit." The angels hear what we speak.

Psalm 103

"20": Bless the LORD, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word.

Jesus is in heaven now. We, the body of Christ (heirs of salvation), are on the earth and we give voice (speak) to God's word. We speak and the angels stop to listen. What we say matters as to what they do. We live in a supernatural world by origin, but natural by result. The angels of God are working to bring God's Word to pass in the earth and it is man who is speaking on the earth at this time. Jesus is seated at the right hand of God. We, the Body, are on the earth now.

Hebrews 13

"2": Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

Angels can transform themselves into what would appear to be natural flesh to man. Angels have abilities, but man has the power of God through Christ Jesus. The child of God is like an ambassador into a foreign land. We have the backing of our "heavenly" country in this "natural" realm. Angels of God are here to bring about the will of God in the earth.

Angels are as real as God and they, too, are eternal. This is readily seen by the passage of scripture in Revelation noted below. Angels are spirit and spirit is forever.

But we are above the angels in Christ.

I. Corinthians 6

"1": Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?

"2": Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

"3": Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

Even angels have a "will" to choose what they do thus can co wrong.

II. Peter 2

"4": For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Jude 1

"5": I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

"6": And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Matthew 18

"10": Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

Angels are spirit as is God.

Peace.

[ayin jade]

Angels are as real as God and they, too, are eternal. This is readily seen by the passage of scripture in Revelation noted below. Angels are spirit and spirit is forever.

Angels are created beings. They are not eternal like God, that is with no beginning. There is not scriptural support for your view.

[branchesofHim]

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Angels are as real as God and they, too, are eternal. This is readily seen by the passage of scripture in Revelation noted below. Angels are spirit and spirit is forever.

Posted comment:

Angels are created beings. They are not eternal like God, that is with no beginning. There is not scriptural support for your view.

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All glory be to God through Jesus Christ!

Thanks for pointing out the opportunity for error in understanding regarding the text of my post that you say has no scriptural support. Thank you.

May the Holy Ghost clear it up. Thank you.

I wrote "Angels are as real as God and they, too, are eternal." (I did fail to post the passage from Revelation properly in that context. Thanks for pointing that out.)

Revelation 20

"10": And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The devil, a spirit - a fallen angel will be tormented day and night for ever and ever just like the beast and false prophet. That seems to be eternal doesn't it? For ever and ever?

(1228 Stongs : regarding the word "devil" used in many references in God's word concerning evil spirits - fallen angels)

1) prone to slander, slanderous, accusing falsely

a) a calumniator, false accuser, slanderer,

2) metaph. applied to a man who, by opposing the cause of God, may be said to act the part of the devil or to side with him

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Satan the prince of the demons, the author of evil, persecuting good men, estranging mankind from God and enticing them to sin

II. Peter 2

"4": For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Hell is eternal is it not? It was created, yes, but it will be forever now.

Man is eternal is he not? He was created, yes, but he will be forever now.

Heaven, Hell, Man, Angels are all spirit. All are eternal in the context of always will exist even though all are created.

God is spirit. Angels are spirit. This is scriptural fact. (Hence the comment "Angels are as real as God ..." which in the context of how I meant it is fully scriptural. My point was that God is real although we don't physically see Him in the earth, but He is here. So are angels real although we don't physically see them in the earth. That was the point intended.)

Yes angels are created and I would've never intended it to be misunderstood that I was implying that angels were eternal in the same "sense" as is God is eternal having no beginning. Since even man is created and made a little lower than the angels it would be a complete misunderstanding for it to be interpreted that I was saying angels were "like" God in character and nature.

Hebrews 2

"5": For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.

"6": But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?

"7": Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:

"8": Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

Jesus is who this passage of scripture is speaking about and it clearly puts Him in the role of having all things in subjection under His feet.

I. Corinthians 6

"3": Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

This is speaking of the Church, the Body of Christ, being the ones who shall judge angels. Obviously angels aren't "like" God.

II. Thessalonians 1

"7": And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

8": In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

"9": Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

"10": When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

"11": Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:

"12": That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

The Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels. They aren't on the same level as Jesus (God) clearly. This passage of scripture affirms Jesus position of being the One who is to be glorified.

I. Peter 3

"22": Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

This is a passage that declares that all spirits are subject unto Jesus. Jesus is the central theme.

My comment was that angels are like God in that they are real and eternal.

"Real" = fact. Eternal = spirit.

The context of "eternal" means "always will exist". Not always "did exist".

Thank you for seeing the error there was in the potential for misunderstanding of what I had posted.

Peace.