Rev 22 14-15

[Adstar]

The term dog is just a metaphor for the sinners mentioned in the verse. Let me be more clear. Is the verse speaking of sinners here on earth or literally sinners outside heaven's gates in heaven the after life.

What leads you to the conclusion that the scriptures are talking about the gates of heaven?

This city is the New Jerusalem. It is first described as "ascending out of heaven

[Guest Goldman01]

I must agree with Adstar on this one!

[nebula]

I respectfully disagree. It is not a metaphor but a literal term used to describe sexually immoral people.

I'm not so sure. Remember the Canaanit ewoman who asked Jesus to heal her daughter? He said, "It is not fitting to give the bread that is meant for the children to the dogs." He never said anything like that to the prostitutes. It makes more sense in context that the "dogs" was metaphorical to the heathen as people, not about a particular lifestyle.

GBWY (grace be with you)!

[Catsmeow]

I'll buy that. I also remember him talking about a pig returning to it's mudpen and a dog returning to it's vomit...*(kinda gross but the Lord said it)...

Naturally, nothing bad said about little kitties....

[Guest coolwaters]

Whether the city is in heaven or it is the new jerusalem , heaven on earth, my question still exists. Will there be sinners outside the gates during eternity, going about their business, separated from God (Isn't that one description of hell) or is it speaking of the people in the lake of fire located outside the city or even yet is it speaking about sinners here on earth before the Jesus returns. thanks

[Adstar]

coolwaters be assured it is the city come down from heaven to earth. But as to you questions to those outside it. I don't know the answer.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

[Guest MightyMike]

Whether the city is in heaven or it is the new jerusalem , heaven on earth, my question still exists. Will there be sinners outside the gates during eternity, going about their business, separated from God (Isn't that one description of hell) or is it speaking of the people in the lake of fire located outside the city or even yet is it speaking about sinners here on earth before the Jesus returns. thanks

Howdy Coolwaters!

First, Allow me a moment to post those verses again as follows...

Revelation 22:14. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Revelation 22:15. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Now, If I may, Allow me to show you something. This is what I think when I see these verses. I will start in Matthew Chapter 10. Just bear with me for a moment, I need to set this up so you can hopefully see what I want you to see.

When Jesus began His Ministry here on earth and after He chose His 12 Disciples, Jesus gave them a very specific commandment. This is the commandment given by Jesus to His Disciples found in Matthew 10:5 as follows...

Matthew 10:5. These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

So, The point here is the Gospel that Jesus came to preach that was also given to His 12 Disciples was not for the Gentile. Do you see this? Ok, Now, Let us look at Matthew 15:22-28. I will focus on Matthew 15:26-27 as follows...

Matthew 15:26. But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.

Matthew 15:27. And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.

Notice, The mindset of the Jews. Also, Notice the mindset of Jesus Christ. The Gentiles were considered to be dogs to the Jews as well as Jesus Christ. Do you see this?

Now, Looking at Revelation 20:11-15, We see that this is the final Judgment found in Scripture. This is The Great White Throne of Judgement. This is where the dead who are not in Christ are Judged. Now, Immediately following this Judgment, The earth is destoyed by fire in accordance with 2 Peter 3:10.

Then, We move into Revelation Chapter 21. Now, The question is who is left to enter into this New Jerusalem? Remember, Everyone else has been judged and those who are not in Christ have been cast into the Lake of Fire. This means then that the only people who are left are those who are in Christ, Jew and Gentile, who enter into the New Jerusalem.

Now, Keeping the mindset of the Jewish people in mind found in the Book of Matthew, Who do you think Revelation 22:15 is referring to?

Think about this. The Book of Revelation is a book full of symbols and metaphors. Therefore, When We read verse 15, Is it possible that this verse is illustrating the mindset of the Jew in regards to the Gentile people?

Just a question/thought in passing to give you something to ponder!

God Bless You!

[Guest yod]

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[nebula]

Think about this. The Book of Revelation is a book full of symbols and metaphors. Therefore, When We read verse 15, Is it possible that this verse is illustrating the mindset of the Jew in regards to the Gentile people?

uh...no

uh...why not?

[Guest coolwaters]

Mike ,

Interesting view point, that is why I use these boards. But, your point has not landed squarely on me. I will give you that the Jews are Gods chosen. I don't question, get insulted or get jelouse as to why God chose the Jews over any other, I just accept it. God in his infinite wisdom had a very good reason and it may be for a reason totally different than it appears on the surface or that we are even able to understand in this earthly condition. The gentiles have been grafted in and I don't believe it is to submit or serve any one but God. We are all Gods Chrildren, we will be loved unconditionally, fully and the same. I love each of my children with the same earnest heart. God with his wealth of love is able to do this much better than I. Using my feeble attempt in comparison at fathering and loving my own children, all my children feel loved, secured and happy. How much more do you think we will feel in the presence of the Lord our God.

If that doesn't convince you then lets use logic. Lets quote the verse.

Revelation 22:15. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

If we the Gentiles are the Dogs, and the Dogs are overcomers, we gained salvation, according to your post,( I'm just guessing at your affiliation). Then how does that explain the others, sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. Why are they there also. According to you, they should have been in the lake of Fire. Not hanging out with the saved gentiles.

I would be careful how you describe Gods motives and intentions. Many would call this blashemy. I was angered how you framed God as a racist.

But this forum is used to plant seeds, further knowledge and shed light on ignorance. I just hope you are truly ignorant in the truest sense and not mererly twisting Gods scripture for your own designs.

May Gods peace and infinite love dwell in you. Amen