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[RustyAngeL]

Give me a break. I agree with Lenoard.

[Triple Crown]

Catsmeow The "mark" you are referring to, physical or not, does not come into play until things in Revelation are well under way. The antichrist is already walking among us and it is not until later (Revelations 11) that the "false prophet" comes on the scene with him that the mark becomes an issue.

He will begin the campaign trying to lead the world to worship the antichrist (and Satan as well). His plan of using a mark will be an obvious choice we will be given between serving/worshipping the beast, or being against him (servant of Christ).

God would never allow this important turning point to be clouded in mystery or speculation (as we are doing here), it wouldn't be fair to us. It is a very BIG decision and it will be VERY obvious when the time arrives I'm sure. But it will involve denying Christ and worshipping the "new" God. This we will not do.......EVER !!!!

MARANATHA !!!!

Just my view, no confrontation here

Peace to you

God Bless,

TC

[Iryssa]

Yeah, I'm still not convinced the mark will be a microchip either way...the theory that it will be a microchip is just that: a theory...and at best based on conjecture.

[Adarian]

The mark of the beast is a mark of ownership on the places of the body reserved for God and his seal. To accept this mark, and it will be overt, is to forever cut yourself off from the salvation of God. It is a go directly to hell card. Do not pass go, do not collect $200.00. The people of God are sealed by the Holy Spirit on the forehead. To sell out to another is to get yourself eternally condemned. Take no mark, either visible or electronic. The form of the mark will be revealed in its due time, but why at that time find out that you already have it?

[Leonard]

Whoa! Cats! Sorry I hit such a hot button, for you dear! I didn't call anybody names; I merely said that a certain view was 'foolishness.' Everyone--even very intelligent people--hold a foolish view on one thing or another (I, of course, am the exception to that rule). I'll try to moderate my verbiage a bit in the future; and thanks for the reminder to do so.............

If we look at just WHERE folks are marked by the beast of Revelation, it says in their 'right hand' (a symbol of power and righteousness), or the 'forehead.' To me it is very interesting that this 'forehead' in the Greek text is 'metapon' which can be thought of as 'beyond seeing' or better 'beside seeing'. Perhaps 'in how we look at things beyond what is seen with the physical eye.' NOW THAT'S AN INTERESTING PLACE TO BE 'MARKED'!!! What do you suppose that would look like?

[apothanein kerdos]

This is the second time in as many days that someone has spoken about looking at the book of Revelation "In the Hebrew".

HELLO. its written in GREEK, along with the rest of the New Testament, not Hebrew. The Hebrew language has nothing to do with the book of Revelation.

Look at it again. Yes, we have manuscripts in Greek, however the grammar is obviously a translated grammar. Just as Simulacra and Simulation is translated into English from French, so Revelation is translated into Greek from hebrew. This is seen by looking at the way it's worded, the paradigm behind it, and the challenge within the Greek text. Whereas Galatians, when looking at its gramatical structure, was obviously composed originally in Greek, Matthew, Romans, Hebrews, and Revelation are different in that the structure does not allow for it to have been originally composed within the Greek language. Romans was possibly written in Latin (though some advocate Hebrew) and the rest are without a doubt Hebrew. The words used, the way the Greek is structured, the paradigm shown...it is impossible to believe that it wasn't written in Hebrew. Looking at any base level introduction to the book will establish this fact.

Lets look at the bible.

Rev. 13:16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six

Mark (strongs GREEK concordance)

charagma (khar'-ag-mah)

a scratch or etching, i.e. stamp(as a badge of servitude), or sculptured figure.

Denotes a mark or stamp.

You're forgetting that epi is more often translated "on" than "in." In fact, it's translated "on" or "upon" 356 times compared to "in" 120 times. The structure here would also show that it should read "on" and not "in." This is an inadequacy in the King James version. Regardless...are you also advocating that the Beast literally has multiple heads and that Jesus has a literal sword comming out of His mouth?

[apothanein kerdos]

You're forgetting that epi is more often translated "on" than "in." In fact, it's translated "on" or "upon" 356 times compared to "in" 120 times. The structure here would also show that it should read "on" and not "in." This is an inadequacy in the King James version. Regardless...are you also advocating that the Beast literally has multiple heads and that Jesus has a literal sword comming out of His mouth?

The part about the mark is not figurative language. How could not taking an invisible mark "in one's soul", for example, prevent them from buying and selling? If the mark were figurative, it would not be able to do this. The mark must therefore be some manner of detectable stamp or badge which people must have to buy and sell.

You're taking the "buying and selling" literal as well. This can lead to a mistranslation.

Let us assume, however, that "buying and selling" is to be taken literally. This "double-speak" does occur often in both Old and new Testament writings. Half of the passage is literal and the other half is figurative.

The mark would dictate an economic structure; the only way to survive economically would be to adopt the beliefs and actions of the beast. In a modern setting...the only way I can hold a job in many cases is if I refuse to let my Christianity shine forth. I must keep it hidden in order to have a job or be successful at that job. Thake this mentality and multiply it ten fold and we see how a certain paradigm/action based economy could constitute "the mark."

However, the context simply does not allow for this to be solely an economic factor. Too often Christians have focused on verse sixteen and seventeen and ignored everything before it. For one, the entire chapter is metaphorical; beasts comming out of the sea (the anti-Christ, or political component of Satan), the beast out of the earth (religious component of Satan), etc. This should be the first indicator that the passage is not to be taken prima facie. Secondly, notice that the mark appears as a working of the second beast, the false prophet. The purpose of the false prophet is to get people to give glory to the AntiChrist in all that they do. Whereas God calls for absolute obedience from His children in all aspects of our lives, Satan calls for absolute obedience to him during this time. He is attempting to replace God. The mark is something that has to do with worship (comming from the false prophet) and not economic gain. The "sell or buy" comment deals with the culture of that day. In a Capitalistic society we often could care less what a person believes so long as it can benefit us. Back then, however, people would not buy from Christians (or Christians would not buy from pagans) because of the belief structure. Now Paul even addresses this in Romans 14, but the point remains. John was writing to a culture that bought and sold based upon the person's beliefs. Thus, he is stating that those who do not follow along in the belief structure will not fit within society. People who do not hold to the morals of the first beast, taught by the second, will be unable to function; no friends, no buying, no selling, nothing.

[Catsmeow]

Look, ya'll forget it. Evem if it weren't "the mark"....why would anybody be willing to submit to such a thing?

You want "big brother" to be watching you 24/7?

If for no other reason than that....why subject yourself, your family, your animals or anything else to RFID chips?

[Ovedya]

Mark of the beast, or mark on the beasts?

Seriously...Should we include the "chip implant " topic on that long list or recurring subjects on Worthy? I mean, how many times does this pop up a year?

[Iryssa]

Mark of the beast, or mark on the beasts?

Seriously...Should we include the "chip implant " topic on that long list or recurring subjects on Worthy? I mean, how many times does this pop up a year?

It's in close competition with Harry Potter, KJV-only, and "evil" music