Predetermined?

[Guest Duane]

As Spirit, then, does God have a physical form that can be seen and touched?

No, only by Jesus can we see (and touch) the Father.

But we see (and touch) the Spirit in each of us.

Or you could look at it as, Jesus is the physical form of God that can be seen and touched.

Are we playing a word game? Thoughts sometimes do not come out well as words.

[Catsmeow]

Godman, of course we know God is Spirit - however, we also know if He wants to assume the form of a helpless infant in the arms of Mary, He can do that too.

Pretty amazing when you consider how He humbled himself.

[Guest Duane]

Godman, of course we know God is Spirit - however, we also know if He wants to assume the form of a helpless infant in the arms of Mary, He can do that too.

Pretty amazing when you consider how He humbled himself.

Pretty amazing, too, that we could be considered sons of that same God.

God is amazing in more respects that we can imagine.

Pretty amazing that all we see around us is created just for us, too.

Pretty amazing that God could figure a way to let each of us live Life to it's fullest extent, while doing the same Himself.

[Ovedya]

As Spirit, then, does God have a physical form that can be seen and touched?

No, only by Jesus can we see (and touch) the Father.

But we see (and touch) the Spirit in each of us.

Or you could look at it as, Jesus is the physical form of God that can be seen and touched.

Are we playing a word game? Thoughts sometimes do not come out well as words.

No word games here. I just want to be sure of your standing on these things.

You agree with me that physically touching something is quite different than experiencing, or touching something in a spiritual way. BUt as Cats pointed out, if God wanted to be a man He could have at any time - even before He was incarnated as Jesus.

However, recent posts by you seem to draw the wrong parallels between man (humans), Satan, God, and the angels. Much of what you have written here about these is highly unorthodox, yet you preserve the orthodoxy of Jesus Christ. One wonders how you could veer so far on the one hand, and yet remain on course on the other...

[Guest Duane]

As Spirit, then, does God have a physical form that can be seen and touched?

No, only by Jesus can we see (and touch) the Father.

But we see (and touch) the Spirit in each of us.

Or you could look at it as, Jesus is the physical form of God that can be seen and touched.

Are we playing a word game? Thoughts sometimes do not come out well as words.

No word games here. I just want to be sure of your standing on these things.

You agree with me that physically touching something is quite different than experiencing, or touching something in a spiritual way. BUt as Cats pointed out, if God wanted to be a man He could have at any time - even before He was incarnated as Jesus.

However, recent posts by you seem to draw the wrong parallels between man (humans), Satan, God, and the angels. Much of what you have written here about these is highly unorthodox, yet you preserve the orthodoxy of Jesus Christ. One wonders how you could veer so far on the one hand, and yet remain on course on the other...

Maybe I am not really veering from Truth, but just understand it in a brighter, Light.

Unorthodox does not necessarily mean false.

[Ovedya]

Do you believe that cults like LDS and Jehovah's Witnesses can have some truth and yet still be false?

[Guest Duane]

Do you believe that cults like LDS and Jehovah's Witnesses can have some truth and yet still be false?

Yes, and I find many truths in many different places. And not just in Christianity.

Christianity just has more of it.

I can see where you are going with this, that I may hold a little of both, too, right?

[Catsmeow]

Truth is truth. The problem (*as I see it) is that Satan can mix a little truth and a little bit of lies together and contaminate the whole batch.

[Ovedya]

Do you believe that cults like LDS and Jehovah's Witnesses can have some truth and yet still be false?

Yes, and I find many truths in many different places. And not just in Christianity.

Christianity just has more of it.

I can see where you are going with this, that I may hold a little of both, too, right?

No, that's not where I was going at all, but you makea point.

Where I was going is this: The LDS and JW's have missed the mark theologically. It does not matter whether they have a little bit of truth at all, because they have predominantly strayed from the entire truth of God's word.

Paul warned the believers in Corinth and Galatia respectively not to listen to deceivers who preach another Jesus, and another gospel. Since Jesus is the center of the gospel, anyone who preaches a Jesus differently than who is recorded in the Bible, is a deceiver and false apostle. Therefore, anything that they preach concerning Christ, whether it sounds like the truth or not, is false.

The Jehovah's Witnesses may preach that the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sins, but the Jesus whom they preach is a false Jesus. We know that they do not believe Jesus Christ to be fully God, as the Bible clearly reveals. So even though the statement may be true, we must reject this "truth;" for in reality, they preach a false Jesus and a false gospel. Understand?

Now, the problem I see here is that you are pretty much reciting LDS errors and a couple of thinly veiled JW errors - whether it is your intention or not.

[Guest Duane]

Truth is truth. The problem (*as I see it) is that Satan can mix a little truth and a little bit of lies together and contaminate the whole batch.

No lie in that. The Bible says this is so. The best lie is 9/10 truth, as the saying goes.

Tell me something, how do you personally determine that something is from the Holy Spirit versus the spirit of darkness?

And if you determine that it is Truth from the Holy Spirit, do you let that Truth fill you?

And if that Truth did not quite agree with things taught, but you saw scriptural validity in it, would you hide it from others or try and share it with them, knowing that you may be ostracized by doing so?

I am in this position.

And like I said, if you all wish me to shut up and leave I will do so with no hard feelings.

Just say the word.

But I can not stay and be quiet.