"Yahu" to "Yah"

[Zildja]

(((((You seem to imply that calling on any other name of the Messiah (such as Yeshua, Jesus) other than "Yahushuah" will not bring salvation. You have perverted the Name of the Messiah, I will not allow you to go unchallenged.)))))

I have Implied no such thing. In fact you are the one Impling this. The name of Messiah was preverted hundreds of years ago and not by me. so your challenged is with a bunch of Dead guys. Have fun reading their replies.

You have Implied this by telling me that I can not use YAH or YAHSHUA on this forum.

And by quote:(((( You are posting false doctrine and heresy. You are teaching something that does not reflect the true New Testament faith brought to us by the Messiah.))))

If this is true then, the name jesus is false doctrine and heresy and should not be used on this forum.

I will Drop it, But only because I see you as a dictator This is like a catholic church.

You can only say this or be removed.

I am sad to see that you think a study of the Name of Messiahs, and the FATHER's name is Silly.

And that you think HIS name brings striff between us. Sad very Sad.

So you are telling me what I can and can not post here, kinda of a dictatorship. Yea I understand. And that is about all I need to Understand about you.

There are rules on this board about what can and cannot be posted. You are posting false doctrine and heresy. You are teaching something that does not reflect the true New Testament faith brought to us by the Messiah. You seem to imply that calling on any other name of the Messiah (such as Yeshua, Jesus) other than "Yahushuah" will not bring salvation. You have perverted the Name of the Messiah, I will not allow you to go unchallenged.

You have already had one thread deleted, and the others will probably be deleted as well. This is a ministry, not place for anyone just spout off whatever wacky doctrine they subscribe to.

You are welcome here so long as you abide by the rules of the board. I would suggest that you drop this silly Yahshuah stuff, and find things to talk about that are less likely to breed strife. You are not going to convince anyone, anyway. So it is waste of time to teach that nonsense, here.

[Guest shiloh357]

I have Implied no such thing. In fact you are the one Impling this.

Yes you did. You said the following:

* The Messiah said to baptize "in the name of the Father..." and they all baptized in a version of the Son's name "Yahushua" which contains the name of the Father.

* "Yahweh" is the commanded name for salvation (Joel 2:32) and we also find the Father's name in "Yahushua" which can be also called upon for salvation (Acts 4:12).

In saying that, it was a implication that Salvation must be sought by using the "commanded" Name for salvation, (Yahweh). Who do you think you are fooling???? No place does the Bible say that we have to call on God by a certain Name for salvation

The name of Messiah was preverted hundreds of years ago and not by me. so your challenged is with a bunch of Dead guys. Have fun reading their replies.

You have Implied this by telling me that I can not use YAH or YAHSHUA on this forum.

I did not say that you cannot use "yahshuah" on this forum. I am saying that your attempt to change our minds about it is futile, and will only bring strife.

The name of Messiah has not been perverted except by the Sacred Name groups who insist that only they are using the "correct" name of the Messiah. You have to correct the Bible and correct the Hebrew language to support the garbage you are peddling.

I am sad to see that you think a study of the Name of Messiahs, and the FATHER's name is Silly.

And that you think HIS name brings striff between us. Sad very Sad.

Stop trying to be a drama queen. You did not come here to study, but to attempt to preach a false doctrine. You came here with what you label as "the truth" and you sought to impose it upon us.

If this is true then, the name jesus is false doctrine and heresy and should not be used on this forum.

The name Jesus is linguistically sound, and does not qualify as a "perversion" of the Name of the Messiah.

[Zildja]

The name Jesus is linguistically sound, and does not qualify as a "perversion" of the Name of the Messiah.

And what you are saying is that YAHSHUA is a Perversion of the Name and should not be used right.

Linguisticlly, You think the name was pronunced Jee Sous ?

This was also Barabbas's name. Iesus, just to add to the study, it was Iesus Barabbas.

His name was removed from the scriptures. I kinda think that Barabbas is a title given to Him, which means Son of the FATHER. That Iesus was his name, which was removed.

http://www.specialtyinterests.net/cuneiform_writing.html

[nebula]

Concerning this name being shortened to "Yeshua" in the book of Ezra (in Aramaic), we find many other names that also were changed, perhaps to reflect the Aramaic dialect.

I'm not a language expert by any means, so any of this is not my field. But one thing I do know: by the time Jesus came to this Earth, the people in Israel were speaking Arabic. So, names taking on the arabic twist isn't outside the realm of possibility.

First, if Yeshua is merely a contraction of Yahushua..then we are removing all reference to Father Yahweh by doing so. Yeshua means "He will save" and Yahushua means "Yahweh, He is Salvation" or "Yahweh is salvation".

But haven't you heard - Jesus saves!

John 1:29 - "Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!"

So, it is not incorrect to say of Him, "He will save".

Matthew 1:21 - "And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins."

Third, it is evident that the Messiah came in His Father's name through the understanding the disciples had for baptism. When Yahushua said to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit..the disciples immediately baptized in the name "Yahushua" in Acts 2. Should not the Son have His Father's name? Again, I would be really careful about removing all reference to the Father when praying in, baptizing in and proclaiming the name of the Messiah.

Do you know what the expression "in someone's name" means?

This is a concept that we in our Western culture do not practice. But when one comes "in someone's name," for them it meant that the one is a representative of the other ins o much that you treat the one as if he was the other.

Paul had to teach this to Philemon.

Philemon1:17-19

17 If then you count me as a partner, receive him as you would me. 18 But if he has wronged you or owes anything, put that on my account. 19 I, Paul, am writing with my own hand. I will repay--not to mention to you that you owe me even your own self besides.

I'm not sure if I'm expressing the complete concept well, but to come in someone's name is not about carrying the actual name. That doesn't come close to grasping the significance of the act.

[Zildja]

It is true that the Messiah is Salvation, But the FATHER sent this Salvation to Us. So salvation Comes from the FATHER.

[Guest shiloh357]

And what you are saying is that YAHSHUA is a Perversion of the Name and should not be used right.

Linguisticlly, You think the name was pronunced Jee Sous ?

Yahshuah as no basis in biblical Hebrew, and no one who knows Hebrew will support the validity of such a name. The Messiah was never called Yahshuah in His 3 1/2 on earth.

Jesus is linguistically sound, and does not represent a perversion of the name of Messiah. It can be shown that it comes from the Name Yeshua. The idea that Jesus is a pagan or perverted Name has been debunked.

[Zildja]

3 1/2 on earth what are you talking about?

And what you are saying is that YAHSHUA is a Perversion of the Name and should not be used right.

Linguisticlly, You think the name was pronunced Jee Sous ?

Yahshuah as no basis in biblical Hebrew, and no one who knows Hebrew will support the validity of such a name. The Messiah was never called Yahshuah in His 3 1/2 on earth.

Jesus is linguistically sound, and does not represent a perversion of the name of Messiah. It can be shown that it comes from the Name Yeshua. The idea that Jesus is a pagan or perverted Name has been debunked.

[nebula]

It is true that the Messiah is Salvation, But the FATHER sent this Salvation to Us. So salvation Comes from the FATHER.

Yes, the Father sent the Son.

But the Son Himself gave the salvation.

So it is not incorrect to call Him "He will save."

[Guest shiloh357]

3 1/2 on earth what are you talking about?

33 1/2. You know what I meant. The point is that it was never used to refer to Him. He is also not recorded as having referred to His Father as Yahweh.

[Guest NewPilgrim]

All this is fascinating, but I have just one simple question:

From the earliest available scriptures, what is the given name of my meshiach???