Two friends.. homosexuals???

[Twilightki]

Ok, I must have read your first post wrong, it seemed like you were going around trying to shove it in people faces. Sorry.

...and religion I should have said, but you can't deny that the environment you live in doesnt have a huge effect on it. What if your parents were atheists? this most likely will lead you to despise religion.

Edited March 20, 2006 by Twilightki

[Ovedya]

In some societies all of those things are condoned.

Your morals are based on your environment, so they are not absolute.

So if you are digusted with someone, you're telling me you're going to go right ahead and tell them? what about Jesus? all of his teachings on kindness? do they mean nothing to you? acceptance?

I like this picture.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y241/Jake...333848341_l.jpg

We're not talking about other societies. We're talking about ours.

[kittylover0991]

Hey everyone!

Once again, I am back with another treasure of the public school system of this corrupted world tehe This isn't meant for a debate is to whether or not homosexuality is right or wrong.. however, this post is based on the fact that homosexuality is a sin.. and in my opinion(no offense to anyone... ) is very disgusting...

However, here is the situation. There are two girls within the program at my school(IB.. or International Baccalaurette) where the whole idea of the program is tolerance. Hence, it seems as though I am fighting a losing battle. However, someone posted on one of the threads that tolerance isn't believing that everyone's belief is just as right as your own, but rather, accepting that everyone has a different belief and getting along with them... maybe this has nothing to do with the topic, and yet, it may have everything(the first idea of tolerance is constantly shoved down our throats.. actually, daily). Well.. there are two girls within this program, of whom will remian anonymous, who I recently saw today holding hands in the hallway. I thought nothign of it the first time, but at the end of the day when I saw it again, I asked one of them(the other girl had a different class). She asked me why, and I said I was just curious. Then she said that she was her girlfriend...

help??? These are girls that I have known for the past two years, one of which just had a boyfriend that previous week, and I dont' know what to think. It seems one thing to imagine a guy and a guy or a girl and a girl together.. it is another to see it.. and it is a whole nother story when these two are really close to your heart and you fully diagree with it. It turns my stomach upside down...

I don't know how to act around them anymore.. my initial reaction is disgust.. but what can i do? These are people that I have been and will be forced to work with in groups for the next two and half years. I don't know how to feel around them.. what to think.. or what they say.. they have heard the gospel and openly deny its truths.. actually.. one of them claimed salvation aroudn the beginnnign of last year.. and yet still asked me why I acted a certain way...

I am confused, stunned, and sickened all at the same time.. any ideas?

~Crystal

crystal,

i don't think i have any good advice except to pray for these girls that you have known and cared about. tolerance should mean that we do not fight over our differences...not that we ignore them. obviously you disagree and rightly so. i don't think you have to hide your beliefs. i do think that we ought to treat others respectfully and love our neighbors. it is GOD Himself that draws us to Himself. unfortunately we cannot change or save our friends. the power of prayer however, is huge. if you hold these girls up to the Father and leave it in His hands, you have done no wrong. you can probably talk with them and tell them your concerns, but be careful if it turns into arguing. try to love them while you hate what they are doing.

again, that may be completely unhelpful, but it seems realistic. i hope they come around.

amber.

Hey, thanks Amber That was really inspiring an encouraging.. especially after a long day.. thankyou so much for your words and your kindness

[kittylover0991]

Ok, I must have read your first post wrong, it seemed like you were going around trying to shove it in people faces. Sorry.

...and religion I should have said, but you can't deny that the environment you live in doesnt have a huge effect on it. What if your parents were atheists? this most likely will lead you to despise religion.

Hey Twilightki, lol, I am sorry for the confusion as I am not the best with words and I can see how it woudl sound that way. It's alright, I am sorry.

*cough cough* If ym parenst were athiest?? tehe lol

Sorry, my dad is athiest, but claims to be a born-again Hindu as a jock and a mockery of God. My mom claims to have gone to church when she was little, and she will claim she is saved, but wants nothing to do with church. My brother is a professed athiest, and it has taken seven long years at church.. the Lord has been working on him, I know, because he has been asking variosu questions about God. I didn't grow up going to to church, a firend invited me when I was 8 to VBS. Trust me... my environmetn has nothign to do with it

~Crystal

[Twilightki]

Well, for most people then. Everyone is different.

[Guest Gladiator4God]

If you tell someone they are gay and its wrong, they're not going to listen to you. Whethre you believe it or not, being gay is not a choice, theyre not going to just change. Just think what you think, fine. Everyone is entitle to have their views. Keep your mouth shut about it. You'll eventually get used to it as long as you stop pushing it away.

I disagree. even if you want to use the copout "i was born that way" its still a choice to continue to live that way

[Twilightki]

Would you say that to a mentally retarded person?

Edited March 21, 2006 by Twilightki

[kittylover0991]

Would you say that to a mentally retarded person?

lol, we meet again Twilightki

A person with a mental disability is born that way and that cannot be changed because it is a physical ailment. However, they attempt to learn how to get along in this world. Are you saying that homosexuality is a mental disability? I never thought of that

Let's try a different approach. We are all born as sinners because "by one man sin entered into the world". However, Jesus died on the cross and the bible says that are now free from the bondages of sin. We, as sinners, live a sinful lifestyle. However, God is constantly stayign by us, helping us to grow, pruning us, and guiding us in the right path in order to rid that sin in our lives(Jesus cleansed us from sin, but we still continue in sin.. becasue we are flesh). Homosexuality, as said in the bible that it is an abomination for man to lay with mankind as with womankind." Born with homosexuality or not, it can be escaped through the blood of Christ.

[Twilightki]

No, im not saying it's a mental disability. I'm saying that gay people cannot change. You can't change what someone is sexually and emotionally attracted to. And anyone who claims to have been a gay person, and changed, is a liar trying to support their belief that homosexuality is wrong.

[kittylover0991]

No, im not saying it's a mental disability. I'm saying that gay people cannot change. You can't change what someone is sexually and emotionally attracted to. And anyone who claims to have been a gay person, and changed, is a liar trying to support their belief that homosexuality is wrong.

What abotu someone who used to straight and then said they were gay... is that being a liar too? I have never known one person who claimed they were bi from the start...

As for what God says abotu this.. didnt' God tell Adam that *his* desire would be to his wife???