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[Gerioke]

Most High,

I am going to respond to a few things you have said in this thread.

First, that scripture about render unto Caesar the things that are Caesars has nothing to do with separation of church and state. The first time I heard that rediculous ascertion was from that comedian Genene Gerafalo. That's a real Bible scholar I am sure? What was going on when Jesus made that statement was the religious leaders were trying to catch him saying something that would allow them to accuse him to the Roman government. They asked him if it was lawful to pay taxes. The people opposed the taxes, but the law required they pay them anyway. Jesus asked for a penny. After examining it, he asked whose picture was on it? They said, Caesars. He then said, "Render unto Caesar the things that belong to Caesar, and unto God the things that belong to God." This has absolutely nothing to do with the notion of the church staying out of politics. On the contrary. I would say that since we are the salt of the earth, we are to do whatever is in our power to preserve our nation's morals. That would mean being very much involved in politics, electing pro-life candidates.

As for Iran, we most certainly can defeat them. All we have to do is drop a couple of nukes on them, and end of war. I would suggest dropping nukes on the sites they claim will be future nuclear power plants. Since North Korea continues making threats, I would do the same thing to them. I would drop nukes on their military bases. Forget about diplomacy. That doesn't work. We need to take them out before they are able to carry out their threats. The reason we are having so much trouble today is because of our policy of keeping collateral damage at a minimum. While that is fine for Afganistan and Iraq, we don't have the military personel to fight this type of war all over the world. We have a large nuclear arsenal. In my opinion we should use it.

What you said about Bush is what I have said about Clinton. God allowed us to put him in office to show the problems of voting for someone because of greed. You remember all those statements about "the economy stupid." We ignored all the warning signs we had about him and yet still elected him to office. Maybe people had gotten so fed up with his evil reign of 8 years, that is why they decided not to make his Vice President his successor in 2000?

Why would anyone have the right to nuke anybody? The only thing keeping the world from being obliterated is the fact that nobody wants to take responsibility for starting the ball rolling.

kaboom.

[ted]

I don't know Ted, did you ever stop to think that everyone else bailed on us because we were wrong?

Yes, I've stopped to think about the possibility that he was wrong, but he's not.

I have to think about these things: it's my butt on the line if he is wrong. All things considered, he was right to go into Iraq. Everything about the situation may not make perfect sense to every man or woman, and things may have gone smoother if a few tweaks in the system would have happened, but he wasn't wrong to go in there.

Reports are coming out every week tying it all together.

Other countries didn't bail out because they were right, they bailed out for various reasons:

Money (Russia, China, Germany, France, the UN). These got caught with their hands in the oil for food cookie jar. It's obvious that these countries had exclusive contracts for oil and had an expressed intrest to have the sanctions lifted. Not to mention weapons sales (which never really stopped, did they?).

The UN tried to act tough with words in an attempt to keep everyone out so that their little scheme could work, but they didn't actually think that we would enforce their own resolutions. To me, that's the biggest reason why it seems that the rest of the world punked out on us.

Pure and simple, they didn't actually think we would back their own words, and votes, with action. I'm sorry, but I'm glad at least a few countries could see past the smoke and dive into the fire. Something had to be done, and it was done.

Take a minute and review just what the UN was saying and how other countries were voting concerning Iraq from 1992 to 2002. Seems like they were on board to me, so what happened?

Well, again, they just didn't believe that they would have to, someday, follow through with their own convictions. That means they were either cowards, or involved in some money making scheme.

Weakness (France). This one's self-explainatory.

Other countries like Spain and Korea started out with us, but then decided they didn't have the will to continue once their people got kidnapped and killed. So, they packed their bags and went home. I guess we can't blame them, really. The Bible talks of sending people out of a war if they are afraid.

It's quite obvious to us now that we were wrong.

Actually, I feel the opposite. It's quite obvious that we were right. Many, of course, will never want to believe that, but it's true.

Thanks,

t.