Reprobate minds

[shanbopop]

Does our God give us a reprobate mind once we have constantly ignored his want to come into lives?How does this work exactly?

[Ovedya]

Read Romans 1:18-32.

God does not give us a "reprobate mind." Actually, the verse in Rom. 1:28 is better translated as "disapproved mind." When mankind fell to the uttermost - to the worship of idols, to the worship of himself, and gave himself to the satisfaction of his own lusts and desires - God essentially said, "Okay, you go on ahead. My hands are no longer upon you."

[shanbopop]

Read Romans 1:18-32.

God does not give us a "reprobate mind." Actually, the verse in Rom. 1:28 is better translated as "disapproved mind." When mankind fell to the uttermost - to the worship of idols, to the worship of himself, and gave himself to the satisfaction of his own lusts and desires - God essentially said, "Okay, you go on ahead. My hands are no longer upon you."

Ah ok thank you very much for clearing that up.

[Guest LadyC]

oh, but God CAN turn us over to our reprobate minds. the context in which scripture covers this is in the context of those who have totally turned their back on God and no longer hear the convicting of the Holy Spirit. (they no longer have a conscience, they no longer consider what they are doing to be wrong, even though they once knew otherwise.) i think some refer to this as apostacy? (not sure on the definition of apostacy). those that believe osas will never agree that God means anything by reprobate mind. it's a theological spot of contention.

it's not something that happens by accident, being turned over to our reprobate minds is something that requires a distinct action on our part... that action being to willfully and rebelliously tell God that we no longer want to know Him.

[Ovedya]

oh, but God CAN turn us over to our reprobate minds. the context in which scripture covers this is in the context of those who have totally turned their back on God and no longer hear the convicting of the Holy Spirit. (they no longer have a conscience, they no longer consider what they are doing to be wrong, even though they once knew otherwise.) i think some refer to this as apostacy? (not sure on the definition of apostacy). those that believe osas will never agree that God means anything by reprobate mind. it's a theological spot of contention.

it's not something that happens by accident, being turned over to our reprobate minds is something that requires a distinct action on our part... that action being to willfully and rebelliously tell God that we no longer want to know Him.

I don't really agree with that, sis.

This seems to be a kind of doctrine formulated on mistaken assumption - not on your part, but on the part of those who have promoted this kind of idea in the past.

According to the context of the passage in Romans, God's having given up humanity to disapproved minds already happened. From verses 20 to 32 it's written in past-tense, which means that God's giving them up was part of God's judgment and condemnation of sin. So fallen humanity, although still posessing a conscience, has endeavored to sear their conscience, through their acts of sin and perversion. The disapproved mind no longer listens to the conscience. Although this still happens today, God's condemnation has already occurred.

[David from New Bern]

Does our God give us a reprobate mind once we have constantly ignored his want to come into lives?How does this work exactly?

And he hardened Pharaoh's heart, that he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said.Exodus 7:13 KJV This is an example of God longsuffering nature being exhausted or finding its limit, so He stopped influencing the situation. And without the influence of God man's action naturally progress to selfish and destructive behavior (reprobate).

Edited March 21, 2006 by David from New Bern

[Ovedya]

Does our God give us a reprobate mind once we have constantly ignored his want to come into lives?How does this work exactly?

And he hardened Pharaoh's heart, that he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said.Exodus 7:13 KJV This is an example of God longsuffering nature being exhausted or finding its limit, so He stopped influencing the situation. And without the influence of God man's action naturally progress to selfish and destructive behavior (reprobate).

My opinion is that God hardened Pharoah's heart in order to bring him to the culmination of the plagues, which was the killing of each firstborn in their household. It's interesting when you read chapter 1 and see that Pharoah tried to kill every first born male child in the Hebrew households, and then you see that the last plague visited by God upon Egypt was the death of every first born (Exo. 11:5)

[gypc]

Romans 1 is present and past and gives them up 3 times. In 1 Cor 10..........this is present also because the things happened for our example now.

Romans 1:18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

(1st time)

24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

(2nd time)

26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge,

(3rd time)

God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

1st Cor10:5But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

6Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

7Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.

8Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.

9Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

10Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.

11Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

12Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.