The sons of God

August 27, 2003

The sons of God; be they angels, or be they men?

There are few references to the sons of God in the Bible.

There are two in Genesis 6 that refer to the sons of God taking the daughters of men for wives.

There are three in Job, two occurring on two separate days when the sons of God presented themselves before the Lord with Satan among them; the third occurring at the laying of the foundations of the world when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy.

All these references to the sons of God in the Old Testament are thought to refer to angels.

There are six in the New Testament, one in John chapter 1, two in Romans chapter 8, one in Philippians chapter 2, and two in 1 John chapter 3.

These references all refer to the saved of mankind.

There are 47 occurrences of the phrase Son of God. These all refer to Jesus, with the exception of one occurrence. That single occurrence is referring to Adam. But in the reference to Adam, the son is not capitalized.

The question that comes up in my mind is this. What is the difference between Man and Angel, with the obvious exception that angels dwell in heaven and men dwell on earth.

There is a second difference in that Man is separated as male and female, while Angel is not.

But when we get to heaven both distinctions are removed.

In heaven we are as the angels.

And before Adam was separated into Adam and Eve, Adam was like the angels with the exception of dwelling on the earth. The one became two, and the two shall be as one.

Man and Angel are the same except for these two things.

Man and Angel can even procreate; they are of the same species.

The difference is merely the world in which we live.

August 27, 2003

I believe there is much difference between Man and Angel. One are the capability of performing miracles and doing great wonders. Benny Hinn may be the only exception :LOL: But seriously the power they move in is not of the flesh. 2 Peter 2:11 yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord. THis is a difference when compared to the human. THey are also immortal.

We and the angels are made in God's image. You can put an image on most any substrate, that doen't make the substrate the image it portrays.

When we die and the dead are risen we will be like the angels.

Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?

Colossians 2:18

Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions.

August 27, 2003

I believe there is much difference between Man and Angel. One are the capability of performing miracles and doing great wonders. Benny Hinn may be the only exception :LOL: But seriously the power they move in is not of the flesh. 2 Peter 2:11 yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord. THis is a difference when compared to the human. THey are also immortal.

We and the angels are made in God's image. You can put an image on most any substrate, that doen't make the substrate the image it portrays.
When we die and the dead are risen we will be like the angels.

Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?

Colossians 2:18
Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions.

All angels are ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation? Then what of the fallen angels that decieve humanity?

What of Satan?

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Yes, the angels are more powerful and do not die, and we shall also be more powerful and shall not taste of death again when we become as the angels in heaven. So those distinctions are again dependant on the world in which we live, here or in heaven.

Don't forget, not all shall die before we all are changed.

August 27, 2003

Ok , I'll bite. If the only difference is the world we live in, then what is you point!

August 27, 2003

Essentially the same point I have been trying to make with the serpent thread and the thread about Lucifer.

That when referring to the sons of God, the serpent, the devil, Satan, Man, angels, the Bible is referring to us.

But it is referring to us from different points of our existance in the overall scheme of things. From a view outside of time, so to speak.

All you have to do is change the viewpoint from either here or heaven, before or after the fall, etc.

August 27, 2003

Well excuse me!

For your information all your posts have been censored and trashed. I don't have them available for reference. My apologies. I guess you will have to remind me of your points if the MOD team seems incapable of letting things lay where they fall.

August 27, 2003

Well excuse me!
For your information all your posts have been censored and trashed. I don't have them available for reference. My apologies. I guess you will have to remind me of your points if the MOD team seems incapable of letting things lay where they fall.

Well, give me a bit of time, as I am at work and actually have some work to do today. And I have not saved any of my previous stuff.

I too think it is a shame that they kill posts just as we are getting into a discussion, but my ideas seem go against what they have been taught for so many years. They see me more as a disrupting influence, than someone that may shed any light of Truth.

August 27, 2003

That when referring to the sons of God, the serpent, the devil, Satan, Man, angels, the Bible is referring to us.

So your saying that the sons of God, serpent, devil ,satan, man, and angels all share the same biology namely all humanoid. The only difference is their residence.

traveller · August 27, 2003

Duane Duane Duane - now you're going for the front door again. Front door, side door, back door. Are windows next?

I don't think your considered disruptive Duane. You are spreading false doctrine. That's worse.

Ovedya · August 27, 2003

Well excuse me!
For your information all your posts have been censored and trashed. I don't have them available for reference. My apologies. I guess you will have to remind me of your points if the MOD team seems incapable of letting things lay where they fall.
Well, give me a bit of time, as I am at work and actually have some work to do today. And I have not saved any of my previous stuff.
I too think it is a shame that they kill posts just as we are getting into a discussion, but my ideas seem go against what they have been taught for so many years. They see me more as a disrupting influence, than someone that may shed any light of Truth.

I'm sorry, Duane, but yout posts do not shed any light of truth. They lack solid Biblical foundation and are, for the most part, presumptuous. The Bible enever says that angels are human, or that Adam was the serpent, or that Satan is a man, etc.

The reason your posts have been deleted is not because they stir up controversy, but that they are a means of spreading falsities about the Bible. You are not merely asking questions here, but asserting your error, and calling it truth. If you wish to read, learn and ask questions, fine. But please do not attempt to spread such falsities under the guise of merely asking questons. Most folks here are more intelligent than that. And to be truthful, many folks here are just tired of arguing. If you refuse to accept correction from fellow believers and instead chose to argue, why even bother in the first place? Seeking the truth to these issues is ultimately up to you - it is between you, God, and the Bible. It is not up to us. We are merely defending the truth.

Much Grace