Heaven's last call to humanity

[mobile21]

The http://www.holylove.org is a great site about Jesus and Mary's latest apparitions in America.

It has an archive of the messages given in these apparitions since 1997 (there are previous messages but the archive doesn't include them yet).

The messages are great not because they add any further revelation of faith but because it's God's call to renew our faith and and keep persevering until His justice arrives to the whole world.

[Mrs Mac]

This is false teaching, if it is calling itself Christian. Mary is dead, she cannot talk to the world.

[Andrew007]

:suspect: :c:

[Bill]

I am very concerned about what is presented here. Regardless of the denominational affiliation (I know I'll get told I'm Catholic bashing but I'm not) of the person who has had these "visions", I get a strong sense that they are not of God. There were statments made in some of these visions that seem to put Mary at the same level as God, which we know from the scriptures is not truth.

I'm just very concerned here. Reader beware.

[godrulz]

I believe in the revelation of Scripture and the modern prophetic word in the Body of Christ (Pentecostal). The Catholic Charismatics may have experienced a renewal of the Spirit, but it must be balanced with sound teaching (vs Mary emphasis) and a rejection of a tendency to be 'superstitious'. It is about Jesus and His revelation.

An apparition from Mary requires discernment, and is more likely a 1) demonic deception or 2) subjective human delusion. The final test is Scripture to know what is 3) Divine (those are the 3 sources of the supposed supernatural).

It is like the book 'God Calling'. It sounds good, but is inconsistent and was 'channeled' (demonic) and compiled (human thoughts) rather than revealed from God. It made the top of the Christian charts at one time?! Discernment!?

cf. Book of Mormon (supposed revelation was Joseph Smith's compilation and plagiarism of parts of the KJV and his fertile imagination).

[Mrs Mac]

godrulz....

I believe in the revelation of Scripture and the modern prophetic word in the Body of Christ (Pentecostal).

Are you able to explain this further for me? "modern prophetic word", "Body of Christ (Pentecostal)". I don't know what you mean, are Pentecostals the Body of Christ? Also what is the "modern prophetic word"?

Thanks, I'm not looking for an argument but the statement just doesn't sit right and perhaps if you can clarify it, I will understand it.

[godrulz]

What is your denominational background (reference point to understand your views)? Sister, I am also uncomfortable with much of what goes on under the guise of 'prophecy'. This does not mean we should throw out the genuine baby with the bogus proverbial bathwater. (This is also beyond the scope of this thread).

Pentecostals emphasize the gifts of the Holy Spirit in Acts and I Cor. 12-14.

The Pentecostal denominations (like Assemblies of God) believe the supernatural gifts are for today, and did not cease when the canon of Scripture was closed. Pentecostals are the largest group in the Church worldwide. Many people in conservative denominations are Pentecostal/charismatic by experience (speaking in tongues; divine healing, etc.).

Eph. 4:11-13 develop a 5-fold ministry ideal for the local church:

"It was He (Christ) who gave some to be apostles, some to be PROPHETS, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up..."

I would disagree with the Baptist interpretation that negates or redefines apostles and prophets. Trace the ministry of the prophet through the O.T. and early church.

I Cor. 12:10 talks about a supernatural gift of prophecy. Its use is evident in the book of Acts. I Cor. 14 talks about the abuse and use of this gift (and tongues). I believe this gift is valid today for the church. I am not talking about wing ding prophecies by every guy on T.V. claiming to be a prophet.

Prophecy reveals the heart of God to a person or congregation through an individual. It will be consistent with Scripture and discernment is needed to determine its accuracy or subjectivity. It is a positive exhortation or rebuke from God. It is not primarily personally directive in nature (forthtell vs foretell). The public gift of prophecy must be exercised decently and in order for edification.

If you do not believe speaking in tongues for personal edification (or tongues and interpretation for corporate edification) are of God and for all believers today, you will probably also reject the prophetic ministry in the Body of Christ (primarily from Pentecostal-type believers in their local churches or certain prophets who speak to the Body of Christ at large). We cannot argue experience above the Word to prove or disprove spiritual gifts.

I believe the Bible properly interpreted as well as the real experience of hundreds of millions of believers affirm that the supernatural God is moving supernaturally against a supernatural enemy. The onus is on non-Pentecostals to explain away Scripture and our experience with a preconceived theology.

[Mrs Mac]

Thanks, godrulz for your explanation. I know what a Pentecostal is, I was once AOG and am now Calvary Chapel.

I have no problem with tongues, healings and the prophetic ministry. I simply didn't understand what you meant.I took it that you meant Pentecostal only was the Body of Christ. Silly me!

I too am a bit concerned with the flaky prophecies that are brought forth from whoever wants to say, "thus saith the Lord". These apparitions are way beyond what I would consider acceptable to the church.

[godrulz]

We Pentecostals emphasize the gifts of the Spirit and experiencing God. I appreciate and need the other members of the Body of Christ who emphasize the Word, the fruit of the Spirit/character, evangelism, etc.. Unity involves diversity, not uniformity. We must not be exclusivistic with our pet doctrines, yet can be firm in our biblical convictions.

We can reject apparitions, the Rosary, purgatory, etc. without rejecting the Catholics who love Jesus as Lord but have not worked through all doctrinal beliefs. Salvation is based on faith, not theological excellence, as long as there is a core of essential truths and an openness to be led into more light by the Spirit and the Word. God knows the heart and is able to mature the believer in doctrine and practice.

I skimmed Chuck Colson's book "The Body" and feel it is a clarion call to value the universal Church of God and work for unity (without compromising truth) in the Body of Christ.

[Guest Test4echo]

Hello Everyone, Peace be with you all.

I have been reading this board for a few days and decided to register and post today.

This thread is very intriguing to me.

While reading this thread I noticed that no-one gave specific objections to this "Maureen woman's claims" except to say thet don't "think" its from God.

While I do agree that we cannot know for sure weather or not these apparitions are "real" or not, we can safely test the messages that she

presenting to us.

Jesus said, "Test the spirits" see if they are from God or from Lucifer.

We can't Test the reality of these apparitions because regardless of whom they came from God or Lucifer, the physical manifestation of them were not given to us.

Only the message remains for our Testing.

The Lord said that a Demonic being cannot stand against its Master, nor can the master stand against himself. Otherwise, he will fall.

Its easy for demonic beings, even Lucifer himself, to try and fool the failthfull by appearing and proclaiming himself "Christ" or "Mary" or any other Saint for that matter.

However, the message they proclaim "must" be blasphemous against our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. How can a demon or Lucifer himself proclaim anything but lies? If they speak the truth, surely they will fall.

No matter how obsurd things may seem on the surface, we must test the "messages" with all humility and all of our Faith in Christ. We use the Holy scripture to validate or invalidate its intent.

If its Holy and faithfull to the Lords Word, then how can we cast it out? Even if it does make us uncomfortable?

If its proven to be a False Teaching, then let it flee from our sight forever.

If that website is unholy in any way, then we need to examine its message together and find the blasphemous errors it MUST contain.

They will be there.

Then we can expose it for what it is.

However, if no error or allegation is found, then we must consider it.

St. Matthew, 7:15

Deuteronomy 13:3

Jeremiah 23:16, 24:4

St. Mark 13:22**

Romans 16:17

Ephesians 5:6

Colossians 2:8

2nd Peter 2:1

1st John 4:1*****important ammo****

Micah 3:52

2nd Tomothy 3:5

Acts 20:29

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