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[Ovedya]

With regard to sickness. Sickness is the result of three things: Weakness, sin, and God's punishment.

I've got plenty of verses in support of this, though my time is a bit limited at the moment. Take a look at James 5:14 and 1 Cor. 11:30 for the first item, weakness. Also Paul was detained in Galatia due to his own physical weakness (Gal. 4:13) Our "body of humiliation" (Phil 3:21) is made of worthless dust (Gen. 2:7) and damaged by sin, weakness, sickness, and death (Rom. 6:6; 7:24; 8:11).

I am a child of God. Satan cannot lay a single finger upon me but by the permission of my Father! That sickness is the result of demon posession or Satanic persecution is absolutely false.

[St. John]

Hi,

I have a question for whoever wants to answer me.

Do you think God is a God who we can order around ?

Is all we have to do is ask and He will supply our wants?

I KNOW He will supply my needs but NOT my wants.

I believe (and I know) that we will have inner rest and peace of knowing who God is after accepting Jesus our Savior.

Correct me if I'm wrong but what God expect from us to live a life glorifying Him and to do His will.

Where did Jesus sleep? He could have a palace with a golden bed, no he did not have a place to rest His head, look what we have....we are blessed if we have food, a warm house...wintercloths , God promised to take care of our NEEDS.

There are so many poor people who are always hungry ...but they are Christians.....are they lacking faith?

I am SO very thankful for my Salvation, knowing that God will never leave me or forsake me no matter what....He is always with me guides me until the very end and in the meantime I will trust Him for every need in my life....and you know what, I got alot more then my needs!!

God is good, but in no way can I put an order in for something and expect to get it.

I am also thankful for my health, it is all GRACE -GRACE _GRACE

but should I expect to be healthy at all times?

No_NO-No we have no garentees in life but we do have a Savior who is with us and He will take care of every sickness even until we die.

I have great respect for Shadow , he is my exemple, I love you brother

And I know of your faith and it is BIG, I believe you have learned to trust God and did He dissapoint you? No He didn't, I believe you will get extra rewards in heaven for all the things you go through now and you have kept your faith!

Patsy, I think you are very special to to be so faithful to your husband in all he is going through, I know of your faith and it is big and I know you guys have learned what a Christian life is all about!

Love in Christ,Angels

Let me ask you a question in response. Do you think God will honor His good word? Do you think if you are faithful to obey his word that He will do as he said he would? You see your LOADED questions don't take into account that God said it, and will perform it, not because we order Him around, but because we are obiedient to His word of promise and He is not like a man that he should lie.

The problem is that if you don't even believe His word in the first place then you are not going to be a doer of the word are you? Then instead of receiving the promises, you will question others and try and find a way around the word.

So Glorify God and Do his Word which is His will and you will be blessed.

[Pentecost]

There are lots of ways to avoid tragedy. But the best way, I believe is hearing the voice of the Holy Spirit and fully trusting God's word and doing it. In the case of Rachel Scott and others. Was it God's will that she be killed by the devil? Or was it God's will that she have life and have it more abundantly? God did not call her to be a martyr. She was thrust into that decision at the hands of evil men. She blessed God in her death, and she is with Him, but it was not God's will that she go that way, or her parents suffered loss.

I'm sory my brother, but I must disagree with you on this point. Marterdom, though not given to many, IS Gods will, AND His HIGHEST calling to us.

Hear me out...

Why would a loving God call anyone to die? Well, how loving is it for a father to welcome his child home?

Remember, Jesus is our example in all things, and as you know. Jesus died for us. After all there is no greater love than this, that a man lay down his life for a frend"

Death is part of the foundation of our faith. When we are born again, our old self must die. We strive to "die dayly", "take up your cross dayly", even babtism is a symbolic death.

There is a story about the apostle Peter. He was in Rome, and got word that they were going to kill him the next day. He did the sensable thing, and ran. On his way out of town, he passed Jesus on his way in.

He stoped the Lord, and asked why He was going into Rome, and the Lord responded He was going to die again. Peter repented, returned, and was blessed with marterdom.

Regarding Rachel Scott. You realy should read her story. The Lord reveled to her at a very young age that serving him would cost her her life. Her actions, and her thoughts recorded in her jurnel, make it very clear. She knew she would not live past high-school. And yet she pursued our Lord with a purity and a passion that I hope won day to attain. It was the overriding passion of her life.

Why would it be Gods will? You must look at the frute. In the years that have followed, her example hs sparked THOUSANDS of youth to receve the Lord, or to draw closer to him. In short, it has sparked a REVIVLE!

There are far to many other stories for me to share hear, but they all show that marterdom is one of the "signs and wonders" that will follow to display Gods sovrenty.

Be blessed my brother!

[nebula]

In the case of Rachel Scott and others. Was it God's will that she be killed by the devil? Or was it God's will that she have life and have it more abundantly? God did not call her to be a martyr. She was thrust into that decision at the hands of evil men. She blessed God in her death, and she is with Him, but it was not God's will that she go that way, or her parents suffered loss.

St. John,

I challenge you to hear her testimony - then report back on this.

I'll give you a hint. God had revealed to her that her life on Earth would be short (and it had nothing to do with punishment). Evidences of this could be found in her journals and in some things she shared with her friends.

Edit: OK, looks like Pentecost and I posted at the same time!

Edited November 15, 2003 by nebula

[St. John]

Ask and IT (what you ask for) shall be given unto you. You don't demand from God, you ask. Did he say Ask and it might be given unto you unless the answer is no? No, He said ask anything in my name. If you ask something to consume it on your own lust, you won't get it because your heart condemns you. If you know that it is for your own lust, you will doubt. And doubt and faith don't mix. But if you ask in faith believing that you receive you will have it(whatever you asked for). Tell someone they have BIG faith if you want. But you don't know their heart. All the Big faith in the world will not get you an answer to prayer will it? No, Because it says:

Mark 11:24

Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them. Them what? Them things you desired.

But when you have the gospel of doubt preached in so many churches then you have your BIG faith sabotaged before you even pray. Let alone you are not even going to pray the things you desire because some preacher told you" OH you can't DEMAND anything from GAWD, even if you did, the answer might be NO"

So how do you know if it is God answering NO or if it is simply your lack of believing you receive, or if it is faith with doubt mixed, that is causing your prayer to go unanswered.

Christians would rather blame God and use the excuse"God must have said no" Than to simply believe God's good promise by faith, doubt not, and stand on the promise, press through, fight off the devils lying wicked darts with the shield of faith and receive. So is it God saying NO to you or are you the one who stopped God's answer with your lack of action and believing?

[St. John]

In the case of Rachel Scott and others. Was it God's will that she be killed by the devil? Or was it God's will that she have life and have it more abundantly? God did not call her to be a martyr. She was thrust into that decision at the hands of evil men. She blessed God in her death, and she is with Him, but it was not God's will that she go that way, or her parents suffered loss.

St. John,

I challenge you to hear her testimony - then report back on this.

I'll give you a hint. God had revealed to her that her life on Earth would be short (and it had nothing to do with punishment). Evidences of this could be found in her journals and in some things she shared with her friends.

Edit: OK, looks like Pentecost and I posted at the same time!

Children are a blessing to parents right here on this earth. God is not calling his children home, to take them away from us. He has plenty up there as it is. You are mistaking the purpose of the devil which is to steal kill and destroy, with the purpose of God which is to give life and heal. If a person is called to give up their life then that is different. God is not calling children to give up their lives at the expense of grieving parents. Why didn't he just let Abraham kill Isaac. He could have "called" Isaac home to be with Him.

If Rachel wrote about having a short life, then that makes sense too. Maybe saying things like that and writing about them and believing them gives the devil the open door he needs to take your life. And it is pure supposition to say that you can see that God REVEALED to Rachel that she would have a short life, simply because she wrote about it. She was a child.

[nebula]

Not my supposition!

Her father spoke at my church. He shared from the info he gathered from her writings, her friends, and her sisters. He's the one who said God had spoken to Rachel about this!

You are idealizing things you k now nothign about. Like I said, get the book, (I was wrong, it's called Rachel's Tears) and then and only then tell me your interpretation.

[St. John]

Not my supposition!

Her father spoke at my church.  He shared from the info he gathered from her writings, her friends, and her sisters.  He's the one who said God had spoken to Rachel about this!

You are idealizing things you k now nothign about.  Like I said, get the book, (I was wrong, it's called Rachel's Tears) and then and only then tell me your interpretation.

When I said supposition, I don't mean she supposedly wrote that or it is not true. I mean it is supposition "THAT GOD REVEALED HER SHORT LIFE TO HER". Nobody knows that unless they heard the audible voice of God while standing right beside her. We all make wrong decisions and think we hear from God at times when it is purely our own thinking or even the devil putting thoughts and imaginations that should be cast down. I am saying that that is possible.

Psychics tell a person that they are going to die a certain way and they do sometimes. That is called a curse. They believe that word and go through life with an open door for the devil to fulfill it. And if the devil, disguised as an angel of light whispers in your head "God wants you to die young", and you don't know it is not God's will and believe the lie, then you have left a door open for the enemy to come in and steal kill and destry.

What I am saying is that writing words like "I think God wants me to die young" should set off Bells and Whistles. God is not in the business of taking our children through gunshot wounds to the head. Satan is. Who wanted to steal kill and destroy? Who wanted to end her life early? NOT GOD

[Pentecost]

In the case of Rachel Scott and others. Was it God's will that she be killed by the devil? Or was it God's will that she have life and have it more abundantly? God did not call her to be a martyr. She was thrust into that decision at the hands of evil men. She blessed God in her death, and she is with Him, but it was not God's will that she go that way, or her parents suffered loss.

St. John,

I challenge you to hear her testimony - then report back on this.

I'll give you a hint. God had revealed to her that her life on Earth would be short (and it had nothing to do with punishment). Evidences of this could be found in her journals and in some things she shared with her friends.

Edit: OK, looks like Pentecost and I posted at the same time!

Children are a blessing to parents right here on this earth. God is not calling his children home, to take them away from us. He has plenty up there as it is. You are mistaking the purpose of the devil which is to steal kill and destroy, with the purpose of God which is to give life and heal. If a person is called to give up their life then that is different. God is not calling children to give up their lives at the expense of grieving parents. Why didn't he just let Abraham kill Isaac. He could have "called" Isaac home to be with Him.

If Rachel wrote about having a short life, then that makes sense too. Maybe saying things like that and writing about them and believing them gives the devil the open door he needs to take your life. And it is pure supposition to say that you can see that God REVEALED to Rachel that she would have a short life, simply because she wrote about it. She was a child.

St. John,

Do you understand war?

If a GI on to front line takes a bullet, is it because he is lacking faith? Or because he was where he was soposed to be, doing what he was soposed to do?

We, as christians, are in a war my frend. Soldiers in a war zone are, by definition, beeing shot at. As are we. Now, we know that the war is already won. Unfortinatly our enemy refuses to accept his loss, and keeps fighting.

Also, soldiers don't choose there battles, they follow there orders to the best of there abilitys.

Rachel Scott was such a soldier. Now, if God told her she would be blessed with a short life, for the furtherence of the gospel, and she accepts that and solders on, is she lacking faith? Or walking in it!

If God tells me that I am to be blessed with marterdom if I continue to serve Him, am I lacking faith? I defanitly disagree. I am a street evangilist. I take Jesus to places where to church fears to tread. To the streets and allies. To the homeless and poor. To drunks and dealers, adicts and pushers, prostitutes and pimps. To those in wichcraft, the occolt, and satanism.

Is it any surprise that i get shot at? Is it any surprise that i sometimes get hit? No. Does that mean I don't have faith? Again, no. If I didn't, I certinly would not be doing what I do.

I am sory my broother, bur God never promiced any of us an easy life. He promises that the triles we hace will "refine us as gold in the fire". He promises that we will face nothing alone. That He will "mesure" our triles thet "we will not face more than we are able..." That our triles will be used by Him to further the gospel, and increse our faith.

Sometimes He alowes us to dodge the bullet, somtimes he expects us to take it. Some of the greatest moments in my ministry have been wile taking the bullet. For when I am weekened, God is made strong. In many ways I look forward to the triles, in whatever form. I don't enjou them per say, but I do look forward to seeing hoe He will use my weakness for His greater glory.

I look forward to your reply.

[Guest shiloh357]

Despite what many of the faith teachers such as the late Kenneth Hagin, Kenneth Copeland and others say, sickness is not a part of the curse of the law. They teach that since Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, we are victorious over sickness, disease, and poverty. Sickness and disease are the product of the curse of the fall. The curse of the law deals with man's spiritual condition. Specifically, the curse of the law is death. It is spiritual death we are talking about. Jesus redeemed us from the penalty of death that we deserved as sinners. Sickness and disease will continue in the world and even among Christians until the body of Christ is prefected at the resurrection. We should have to go to Hell, but Jesus has provided us a way to avoid such a fate.