Trinity? Mark13 "The Lord is One"

[nebula]

I think what you are saying is that three strands = God, Christ and the Holy Spirit. You would be correct.

Yes, that is what I meant. Thanks for answering - I had missed checking this thread for some reason.

Though I would tend to refer to the Spirit as the Holy Spirit.  He is also called the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of God/Christ...  He is Christ's Spirit, though He is also God's Spirit and He is also His own separate Spirit.  Just like we have God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.

(Reminds me of the quote on the back of a t-shirt:

"The righteousness His righteousness requires is the righteousness His righteousness requires Him to require."

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OK, seriously, isn't it all right for people use the shorthand version of His name?

[BlindSeeker]

so do you mean that 3 strands stand for God, Jesus (physically), and then Jesus's spirit?....His spirit that is with us today.  I'm not very good at getting my question across...I hope I don't confuse anyone

Love and Blessings

Angel H.

I think what you are saying is that three strands = God, Christ and the Holy Spirit. You would be correct. Though I would tend to refer to the Spirit as the Holy Spirit. He is also called the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of God/Christ... He is Christ's Spirit, though He is also God's Spirit and He is also His own separate Spirit. Just like we have God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.

That is just how I would refer to Him though I don't see a problem with how you do either! :t:

your humble servant by His Blood;

~sagz

Would it therefore be equally correct to say Jesus the Father, Jesus the Son, and Jesus the Holy Spirit?

Or how about, God the Son, Jesus the Son, and Holy Spirit the Son?

[sagz4Christ]

so do you mean that 3 strands stand for God, Jesus (physically), and then Jesus's spirit?....His spirit that is with us today.

[BlindSeeker]

Would it be correct though to say "Jesus the Father, Jesus the Son, and Jesus the Holy Spirit?"

[sagz4Christ]

Would it be correct though to say "Jesus the Father, Jesus the Son, and Jesus the Holy Spirit?"

I don't think you realized you just asked the same exact question twice?

refer to the previous answer

By His Blood;

~Sagz

[BlindSeeker]

Would it be correct though to say "Jesus the Father, Jesus the Son, and Jesus the Holy Spirit?"

I don't think you realized you just asked the same exact question twice?

refer to the previous answer

By His Blood;

~Sagz

Actually, I originally asked 2 questions, you only answered the 2nd one. I simply re-asked the 1st.

[sagz4Christ]

Actually brother,

The way in which you asked the question led me to believe it was the same question with different wording. Kinda like calling it a can of Coke as opposed to a Coke can.

My answer though should be sufficient for both questions.

However, let me explain further:

To try to change the name of God the Gather to Jesus the Father is to give the duties that belong to the God the Father to Christ. We see throughout the Scriptures that there are specific roles each one plays in the governing of the universe and in the affairs of man. We need to make sure not to place the roles, and therefore our worship in the wrong context.

We pray to God the FATHER through JESUS the Son, by the leading of the HOLY SPIRIT. (caps for emphasis).

Our worship is to God the Father through Christ. We also worship Christ as Savior. That is the role and duty of His part in the diety. Yes, they are all the same, but we need to make sure to divide Them where They have shown us.

I hope this helps clarify my answer!

your servant in Christ;

~Sagz

[BlindSeeker]

. . . Maybe this will help.

It is a quote from the book: "Coffman Commentaries on the Old and New Testament":
Verses 29, 30
Jesus answered, The first is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our Lord, the Lord is one: and thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength.

The Lord is one ...
This is a quotation from Deut. 6:4; and the oneness of God, as set forth in the Old Testament, is a compound unity, like the oneness of the people, or the oneness in a marriage. The Hebrew word that denotes this is , and must be distinguished from , meaning an absolute unity. There is no argument here against the concept of a Trinity.

I have heard this reasoning many times. However, it is virtually a hallow point. The Hebrew word "echad" (or "eh'ad," the exact same Hebrew word) is exactly like our word English word "one." Just as we can use the word "one" to define a unity, so can the word "echad" be used, but still, just as the word "one" represents numerical singularity, so does the word "echad." As a matter of fact, it is the Hebrew number 1 in the masculine form (there is an alternate femine Hebrew number 1, "ah'at."

As a matter of fact, the Hebrew word "echad" is used more in the Bible to denote the singular than the compound unity. Yet, the reasoning above and those like it, rarely ever (if at all) present that other truth with it . . . as those who utilize the compound unity application of the word "echad" to are more interested in substantiating their stance on the Trinity than critically examining the text, or the primary usage of the word.

The fact that "echad" is used more to denote the singular lends much more credibility to a singular Deity being progressively revealed than a deified corporate head of personalities.

De 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is 1 LORD
The only reason I ask the questions I did was because of you posting --"He is also called the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of God/Christ... He is Christ's Spirit, though He is also God's Spirit and He is also His own separate Spirit. Just like we have God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.
God in is true essence is a Spirit. Being holy, God is a Holy Spirit. And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Jesus Chirst was the expressed image of the invisible God, the brightness of His glory. He was this "glass" or mirror through which both the angel and man were permited to see the worthiness of God of every creature's praise and adoration.

Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

Nevertheless . . . .great is the mystery . . .

Ro 16:24 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
27 To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.

[nebula]

Well, in all fairness, I'm the one who brought up the "unified" thing.

Gee, that was the one concept that helped me figure it all out, and now you are telling me it is wrong.

[refugepsa91]

Well, in all fairness, I'm the one who brought up the "unified" thing.

Gee, that was the one concept that helped me figure it all out, and now you are telling me it is wrong.

Gee nebula I understood the "unified" thing though....I thought it was a great analogy to use to help grasp the trinity a little better.....

Is it still good or no?.....k now I am confused again

Love and Blessings

Angel H.