One quick answer to one of atheists questions.

[CellShade]

To atheist here's an input I would like to give you, because I am honestly tired of getting your question, ''If there is A God, then why do all those poor people dying of hunger each day, or all those disasters happening in the world.

A man went into a barbershop to get haircut , when He was having his harcut and having th usual conversations people have with barbers, they eventually got into the religion topic in the discussion if there is A God, the guy getting the haircut was christian, while the barber was an atheist, so the barber tells the guy,'' look the reason I don't think there is a God is I just can't believe that if there was 1, He would let people die because of hunger and let natural disasters happen aswell let all thoses wars happen, I just cannot believe it'', the guy getting the haircut just sat quiet avoiding getting into a heavy argument., after a bit the barber ended cutting his hair and so the guy left the barbershop, as he left he saw a man with a lot of hair, so when the guy that just had the haircut saw this, he went back into the barbershop and ask the barber, ''Do you believe that barbers exist?'' and the barber inmediatly answer,'' of course barbers exist!I am a berber myself, so barbers do exist, why would you think otheriwise!'' and the guy answered back'' well I just went outside an saw a man with a lot of hair so and you haven't cutted it so I don't believe barbers exist'' and the barber again answer'' of course I would cut his hair, but first his has to come and look for me and find me!'' '' and the guy replied'' exactly, that's why you have to go and seek for God! "

In overview, God can fix the world, just the world has to seek God, God has done the most allready, all we got to do is, open our eyes and look .

The world would be a lot better if we all looked for God, unfortunately we don't so we are mostly not protected from disasters and thing, but yet God still protects us from many that we don't notice.

Note: The article I posted was a quick translate from spanish to english, so there might be some errors on the sentences

[Guest lnj]

To atheist here's an input I would like to give you, because I am honestly tired of getting your question, ''If there is A God, then why do all those poor people dying of hunger each day, or all those disasters happening in the world.

A man went into a barbershop to get haircut , when He was having his harcut and having th usual conversations people have with barbers, they eventually got into the religion topic in the discussion if there is A God, the guy getting the haircut was christian, while the barber was an atheist, so the barber tells the guy,'' look the reason I don't think there is a God is I just can't believe that if there was 1, He would let people die because of hunger and let natural disasters happen aswell let all thoses wars happen, I just cannot believe it'', the guy getting the haircut just sat quiet avoiding getting into a heavy argument., after a bit the barber ended cutting his hair and so the guy left the barbershop, as he left he saw a man with a lot of hair, so when the guy that just had the haircut saw this, he went back into the barbershop and ask the barber, ''Do you believe that barbers exist?'' and the barber inmediatly answer,'' of course barbers exist!I am a berber myself, so barbers do exist, why would you think otheriwise!'' and the guy answered back'' well I just went outside an saw a man with a lot of hair so and you haven't cutted it so I don't believe barbers exist'' and the barber again answer'' of course I would cut his hair, but first his has to come and look for me and find me!'' '' and the guy replied'' exactly, that's why you have to go and seek for God! "

In overview, God can fix the world, just the world has to seek God, God has done the most allready, all we got to do is, open our eyes and look .

The world would be a lot better if we all looked for God, unfortunately we don't so we are mostly not protected from disasters and thing, but yet God still protects us from many that we don't notice.

Note: The article I posted was a quick translate from spanish to english, so there might be some errors on the sentences

It helps to understand that by sin entering the world alot of the 'bad stuff' happens as a ripple effect of that, we do also have a thing called FREEWILL, which some people do not like to acknowledge that sin has resulted from their freewill choices. LNJ

[Arialia]

Wanna know why that doesn\'t work? Because a man going into a barbershop can get his hair cut, but a starving african will not suddenly be fed by believing in God.

[secondeve]

Exactly, Arialia. I mean, who needs to fix any of the endemic social problems on Earth when it doesn't matter anyway- when the whole point is to go to heaven? If we thought this world was all we had, though, maybe we'd stand up and try and protect it a little more. I know there's a lot of Christian aid agencies out there doing the world of good- and secular ones, too- but there's also a lot of people who think it doesn't matter what happens here, what parts of the planet they stuff up, because they've got somewhere to go to when Earth goes to hell.

[CellShade]

Exactly, Arialia. I mean, who needs to fix any of the endemic social problems on Earth when it doesn't matter anyway- when the whole point is to go to heaven? If we thought this world was all we had, though, maybe we'd stand up and try and protect it a little more. I know there's a lot of Christian aid agencies out there doing the world of good- and secular ones, too- but there's also a lot of people who think it doesn't matter what happens here, what parts of the planet they stuff up, because they've got somewhere to go to when Earth goes to hell.

You are right in some point many people don't care about others since as some maybe christian or act like so, they still refuse to follow what Jesus said in The Bible to love on another like brothers and sister.

But unfortunately some people still don't get the point of love, but as for most christians, we do follow this principles.

Sigh here is a example.

My father, 56 or 57 years old, goes every week or so to prison to talk to people about God, he sometimes brings them gifts and things, and the funny and wonderfull fact is, killers and rapist and all protect him from other criminals since they have seen the love of God in my father, God has given him grace uppon man, he goes places were even the police in the prison are afraid to enter, but you can see that he is sharing God's lovee to others.

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

Wanna know why that doesn\'t work? Because a man going into a barbershop can get his hair cut, but a starving african will not suddenly be fed by believing in God.

Who says a starving African who belives in God won't suddenly be fed?

Peace,

Dave

[apothanein kerdos]

Exactly, Arialia. I mean, who needs to fix any of the endemic social problems on Earth when it doesn't matter anyway- when the whole point is to go to heaven? If we thought this world was all we had, though, maybe we'd stand up and try and protect it a little more. I know there's a lot of Christian aid agencies out there doing the world of good- and secular ones, too- but there's also a lot of people who think it doesn't matter what happens here, what parts of the planet they stuff up, because they've got somewhere to go to when Earth goes to hell.

The problem is that most of the people who believe this are often believing an ancient form of heresy called "Gnosticism." The point of Christianity isn't to get to Heaven...in fact, Heaven is a very minor point in the Christian faith (or Biblically it should be). The point of Christianity is the redemption of culture. This means we want a few things:

1) We want to see people come to Christ so He gains glory

2) We want social justice for all people, this means eradication of hunger, poverty, and providing peace when we can

3) We want a culture that brings glory to God in every aspect...the only way to fully redeem culture is to work to bring people to Christ and to live a Christ-like life.

As for the problem of evil and pain in the world...though unfortunate, they are necessary. Evil is necessary because it provides an option, something to choose between. If there was only good, then we could not possibly choose evil which would in turn negate limited will. Likerwise, if there was no pain, there would be no need for God's grace to get us through the pain.

Even if these are unacceptable, the fact is, we are all suffering from a sinful world and there is going to be pain. God can stop it, but it would serve no good use if He did and would utlimately cause more harm.

[secondeve]

Matthiasj:

If even one starving African converted and was fed for it, I think most people would catch on and do likewise. Aprt from that, logic.

[CellShade]

Cellshade, your last post brings into play a lot of Evolutionary Psychology.

The cell mates depend on him for gifts? Where does the protection come from? The two seem related to me.

Sighs, that's not evolutionary Psychology, that's human psycology and nature but then again, never said all gifts were material, this people are people that no one loves or cares of, the fact that someone goes there each week to tell them about how someone loved them so much that He died in the cross for them is a gift big enought.

Besides for them it's not only material, as you may think otherwise.

While yes he has given them sometimes gifts, but not gifts as in chocolates or tv's gift as of Bible's and other recreational things that change their life's, tv's money or chocolate don't do this.

For a fact again I say, even police some of them gift crack and drugs to this guys as gifts, and yet this cellmates don't try to protect this cops.

One thing I do give you, here were I live gangsters are horrible, worst then the one in USA or UK or wherever you are from, so my father mades a deal with them, he will sometimes gift them a soccerball for 30 minutes Bible teaching, the result after this happen? some 50 cellmates or more give their life to Christ, and the 30 min teaching lasting 2 hours because they want him to stay on to talk about God.

Another result is you this people each other day for 6 months and more to gift an example still going to he's teaching about God and this without him having to gift anything more.

[thepreacher]

To atheist here's an input I would like to give you, because I am honestly tired of getting your question, ''If there is A God, then why do all those poor people dying of hunger each day, or all those disasters happening in the world.

A man went into a barbershop to get haircut , when He was having his harcut and having th usual conversations people have with barbers, they eventually got into the religion topic in the discussion if there is A God, the guy getting the haircut was christian, while the barber was an atheist, so the barber tells the guy,'' look the reason I don't think there is a God is I just can't believe that if there was 1, He would let people die because of hunger and let natural disasters happen aswell let all thoses wars happen, I just cannot believe it'', the guy getting the haircut just sat quiet avoiding getting into a heavy argument., after a bit the barber ended cutting his hair and so the guy left the barbershop, as he left he saw a man with a lot of hair, so when the guy that just had the haircut saw this, he went back into the barbershop and ask the barber, ''Do you believe that barbers exist?'' and the barber inmediatly answer,'' of course barbers exist!I am a berber myself, so barbers do exist, why would you think otheriwise!'' and the guy answered back'' well I just went outside an saw a man with a lot of hair so and you haven't cutted it so I don't believe barbers exist'' and the barber again answer'' of course I would cut his hair, but first his has to come and look for me and find me!'' '' and the guy replied'' exactly, that's why you have to go and seek for God! "

In overview, God can fix the world, just the world has to seek God, God has done the most allready, all we got to do is, open our eyes and look .

The world would be a lot better if we all looked for God, unfortunately we don't so we are mostly not protected from disasters and thing, but yet God still protects us from many that we don't notice.

Note: The article I posted was a quick translate from spanish to english, so there might be some errors on the sentences

CellShade,

My thoughts to tell someone who doesn't believe in a God for that reason is the following.

God didn't mess things up, people did.

God created everything to work perfect and if we would have followed directions it would have stayed that way.

It only takes a few people trying to make the world work their own way to disrupt everything for everyone.

Now you multiply that by billions of people trying to make the world work their own way instead of God