A testimony of the Truth

[secondeve]

Dakota:

I think you've misunderstood that particular argument of mine. For the sake of clarity, I'll rephrase it. I have never claimed that science can explain how or why the Big Bang started. What it can and does explain is the emergence of life on Earth, and how such natural laws (like gravity) control the rotation and orbit of our planet. When it comes back to the how and why of the Big Bang, I admit that science is stumped, and can prove nothing. What scientists tend to believe, however, is that the big blank empty universe with a handful of matter and gasses always was, with no beginning (the vacuum has always existed) and no end (the vacuum will always exist).

A lot of Christians seem to take this admission of ignorance as a sign that God automatically fills this gap; ie, God created matter and the vacuum because science offers no other explanation. I followed this argument further. If the vacuum has a beginning and an ender, under that model, then does God have a beginning and, potentially, an end also? And I concluded that, in terms of these two questions, a belief that Thing A (the universe/vacuum) has no beginning and can have no end is identical to a belief that Thing B (God) has no beginning and can have no end: NOT because the two Things represent identical concepts (they don't) but because they exist equally beyond being proven or disproven, and because they both concern the origin of everything. In this respect, it is just as easy to say that the world could come about via scientific explanation with an unanswered question of origin at the start as it is to believe that the world could come about via religious explanation with an unanswered question of origin at the start. Do you see what I'm trying to say?

Edited May 31, 2006 by secondeve

[secondeve]

Oveyda:

Yes, I would be interested in that kind of information

[Guest Thomas I believe]

In this respect, it is just as easy to say that the world could come about via scientific explanation with an unanswered question of origin at the start as it is to believe that the world could come about via religious explanation with an unanswered question of origin at the start.

Eve, You are referring to God as religion. God is not religion. God is who He is. He is God. Genesis 1 in the bible is where it starts.... And in the beginning......

[secondeve]

Thomas:

Actually, I was trying to reference all religious comprehensions of God in a single word, rather than narrow it down to Christianity alone when it aplies equally to all faiths.

[nebula]

The thing about science is that it can't answer any "why's". Why life? Why is life valuable? And why would evolution create longings to know such things?

If there is a God, Thomas, I can't see how he's prevented any of these things from coming to pass.

This is what I don't understand. Why does everyone blame God for the evil man does?

Wars go on just the same, as do droughts and famines. I do believe, though, that even if there is a God, we need to act ourselves rather than waiting for him and hoping it'll all work out, because if we're wrong, then it'll be too late to turn it around before we realise.

You sound like an abondoned child.

[Guest Thomas I believe]

plotting the downfall of world religion.

The downfall of the world is with in our selfish human selfs (our sinful nature). Jesus came to free us from our bondage. And those who have a personal relationship with Him are freed from the bondage of ourselves. Eve and if i am wrong here please let me know , but i do have an important question for you ? What will be the downfall of this world be if it is not our sinful nature. selfish nature etc .. ?

[Ovedya]

Oveyda:

Yes, I would be interested in that kind of information

The information is immediately available on the Answers in Genesis site, here: http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v12/i2/oil.asp

[Soul_Searcher50]

Greetings. I have shared this link before and it is a great testimony to the truth which is God.

Hi Thomas,

It is a great testament to faith. You know the singer Cat Stevens? He was swimming in the ocean and got caught in a current or something, and prayed to God that if his life was spared he would devote the rest of his life to God. Cat survived, changed his name to Josef Islam and is a devout Muslim, doing wonderful things for children.