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[Guest jckduboise]

Jackie,

The Apostle Paul had no problem with calling false teaching for what it was! We are called to rightly divide the word of truth and to me that means when we see heresy, we are called to stand up for what is right.

okay Ron, I am not going to argue the point..all I am saying is the new person did not seem to be defending anything but asking where is the joy in worship..that was the only statement in the entire post that even barely hinted as such a thing as supporting heresy..maybe we could cut them a little slack with this and move forward to what is truly being said here.

[RGR]

Jackie,

The Apostle Paul had no problem with calling false teaching for what it was! We are called to rightly divide the word of truth and to me that means when we see heresy, we are called to stand up for what is right.

okay Ron, I am not going to argue the point..all I am saying is the new person did not seem to be defending anything but asking where is the joy in worship..that was the only statement in the entire post that even barely hinted as such a thing as supporting heresy..maybe we could cut them a little slack with this and move forward to what is truly being said here.

My bad on that part!

[MrLuke]

Thing is though with preachers that have a big ministry and have many many people in their congregation, the offereing is going to bring in a pretty penny. If God has blessed them with a big ministry and through that they get lots of money, who is to say that they don't give a big percentage away to helping the Kingdom? If they are having to preach all over the world in short spaces of time, and God has supplied the money through their ministry to be able to afford a private jet so that they can fly off around the world quickly to do just what God has called them for, then who are we to judge and say they are "false teachers" or "false prophets" or commiting "heresey"?

I'm not defending any 'big' preacher in particular here, I'm just making a point that people often forget to think about while they are jumping the gun and throwing judgement all over the place.

[Guest Semachiah]

Shalom,

First I'm really not a newbie at all. I had to re-register. My old information would no longer take.

Second,

"okay Ron, I am not going to argue the point..all I am saying is the new person did not seem to be defending anything but asking where is the joy in worship..that was the only statement in the entire post that even barely hinted as such a thing as supporting heresy..maybe we could cut them a little slack with this and move forward to what is truly being said here."

jckduboise, thank you for staying on topic!

Ronald, I will leave the topic for this one question. You stated and I quote it this way so that it flows rather than being framed and separated, "The Apostle Paul had no problem with calling false teaching for what it was! We are called to rightly divide the word of truth and to me that means when we see heresy, we are called to stand up for what is right." This is true BUT...

Y'SHUA said,

"Mar 9:38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.

Mar 9:39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.

Mar 9:40 For he that is not against us is on our part.

Since you claim to be the one "rightly dividing the WORD" let me ask you a rhetorical question, "Are you a follower of Paul or of The CHRIST, Y'SHUA?".

Third, I am not a defender of WOF, actually neither is Benny Hinn (BH). Fred Price (FP) may be, I don't listen to him too much. I don't actually listen to Pastor Benny much anymore either though, no time.

Fourth, I am guessing here but I would say that both FP & BH believe that what they teach is "rightly dividing the WORD", just as I assume that Ronald you believe that what you teach is "rightly dividing the WORD" and if put face to face each of you could defend your positions from scripture.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

So why would I choose to believe one position over another?

Why should I believe the way one person chooses to bring the scriptures together over that which another does?

First because the HOLY SPIRIT would confirm within me the position.

Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Second because of the works that this person does.

Jhn 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Jhn 14:11 Believe me that I [am] in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

But the "works" can be misleading!

Mar 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if [it were] possible, even the elect.

After saying this Y'SHUA went on to describe a few parables to help hone the understanding of HIS followers and eventually HE gets to...

Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats:

Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed [thee]? or thirsty, and gave [thee] drink?

Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took [thee] in? or naked, and clothed [thee]?

Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me.

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of the least of these, ye did [it] not to me.

Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

What we say and do to the least or even the greatest will show if we are true followers of The CHRIST. IF we care for the poor and those who are widowed and/or in prison and yet kick into the dirt the leaders, we are no better than those who exalt the rich and ignore the downtrodden.

Jhn 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly.

It is the "thief" within this world that comes and makes us point fingers at each other!

It is not the CHRIST who does this!

HIS only contention with men was to those who tried to uphold a position of religious superiority over another. Those who upheld their "Holier than thou" positions by their interpretations of what was "rightly dividing the WORD".

Even the Apostle Paul disagreed with the position of pointing fingers at one another when he stated...

1Cr 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, [even] as unto babes in Christ.

1Cr 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able [to bear it], neither yet now are ye able.

1Cr 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas [there is] among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

1Cr 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I [am] of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

1Cr 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who [is] Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?

1Cr 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

1Cr 3:7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

1Cr 3:8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

1Cr 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building.

1Cr 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

1Cr 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

The Jews often align themselves as being followers of the teachings of this rabbi or that one. In CHRISTianity we do it by saying that we are of this denomination or that. David was confronted by much the same thing in Michal. She essentially was calling his "undignified" position as being that of a follower of something different from what she believed a king should be. He put her in her place by declaring exactly what Y'SHUA told us to do. David declared that he would pursue YHVH, be it dignified or not! In saying this David is declaring that it is the pursuit of YHVH in all of his being that is important.

In the parables before the teaching about the "least of these", Y'SHUA tells us to be prepared! To look for HIS coming! We are NOT to be caught up in the things of the world or in it's fears but we are to be following HIM and HIM alone!

Luk 9:23 And he said to [them] all, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

We are to be pursuing HIM at the exclusion of following others.

We are to be pursuing HIM at all cost to our position or dignity, "our" doctrine or denomination.

Instead of becoming caught up in the things of the world.

As I stated earlier...

Jhn 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly.

It is the "thief" within this world that comes and makes us point fingers at each other!

It is not the CHRIST who does this!

Let us be prepared!

Let us dance before the LORD!

Let us "play" before the LORD!

Let us rejoice!

Let us celebrate the eternal life that Y'SHUA brings to us and celebrate it abundantly!

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[Guest jckduboise]

To continue with what has been said in the last post...I will add and then hopefully we can move forward with the true topic..

Heb 4:12 for the word of God is living and active, Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thought and attitudes of the heart.

4:13 Nonthing in all creation is hidden from God's sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

In other words..God is truly the only one who has complete authority of "rightly dividing the word" and it is never our place to judge the thoughts and attitudes of the heart of man....This is God's job alone.

Paul was human he had human ideas..yes he was led by Christ but Paul is not Gospel..God is gospel.

A story my mother told me was about when Jimmy Swagart had been caught in a lurid situation with a prositute..every one was passing judgement on this man and what he had done..including my mother.

After she had spent quite a bit of time passing judgement on this man, God let her know under no uncertain terms that it is none of her business and that what had happened was between God and Jimmy..

Ye who has not sinned cast the first stone....none could do it..

So with that said..God is the only one with the authority to truly divide and to truly judge....

Now can we please talk about joy? I love joy.

[Guest Semachiah]

Shalom,

Me too!

That is the point of the original post,

Imagine the joy when...

Mat 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Mat 4:24 And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.

Mat 4:25 And there followed him great multitudes of people from Galilee, and [from] Decapolis, and [from] Jerusalem, and [from] Judaea, and [from] beyond Jordan.

Imagine the great joy of the leper when...

Mat 8:1 When he was come down from the mountain, great multitudes followed him.

Mat 8:2 And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.

Mat 8:3 And Jesus put forth [his] hand, and touched him, saying, I will; be thou clean. And immediately his leprosy was cleansed.

Or maybe the joy of the centurion when...

Mat 8:5 And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him,

Mat 8:6 And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented.

Mat 8:7 And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him.

Mat 8:8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.

Mat 8:9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this [man], Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth [it].

Mat 8:10 When Jesus heard [it], he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.

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Mat 8:13 And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, [so] be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour.

When does joy come?

Psa 30:5 For his anger [endureth but] a moment; in his favour [is] life: weeping may endure for a night, but joy [cometh] in the morning.

Why in the morning?

Lam 3:22 [it is of] the LORD'S mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not.

Lam 3:23 [They are] new every morning: great [is] thy faithfulness.

Because HIS mercies are new every morning I can dance, sing, shout, roll on the floor, clap and/or play before HIM in joy!

I can have life and have it more abundantly because every morning I know that HE is there to give me eternal life!

Interesting side note. The board doesn't seem to share our Joy. It only allows you "X" number of emoticons (smilies) per post!

Hmmmm!

I wonder what "religious" denomination made it?

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[Guest jckduboise]

Shalom,

Me too!

That is the point of the original post,

Imagine the joy when...

Mat 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Mat 4:24 And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.

Mat 4:25 And there followed him great multitudes of people from Galilee, and [from] Decapolis, and [from] Jerusalem, and [from] Judaea, and [from] beyond Jordan.

Imagine the great joy of the leper when...

Mat 8:1 When he was come down from the mountain, great multitudes followed him.

Mat 8:2 And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.

Mat 8:3 And Jesus put forth [his] hand, and touched him, saying, I will; be thou clean. And immediately his leprosy was cleansed.

Or maybe the joy of the centurion when...

Mat 8:5 And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him,

Mat 8:6 And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented.

Mat 8:7 And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him.

Mat 8:8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.

Mat 8:9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this [man], Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth [it].

Mat 8:10 When Jesus heard [it], he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.

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Mat 8:13 And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, [so] be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour.

When does joy come?

Psa 30:5 For his anger [endureth but] a moment; in his favour [is] life: weeping may endure for a night, but joy [cometh] in the morning.

Why in the morning?

Lam 3:22 [it is of] the LORD'S mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not.

Lam 3:23 [They are] new every morning: great [is] thy faithfulness.

Because HIS mercies are new every morning I can dance, sing, shout, roll on the floor, clap and/or play before HIM in joy!

I can have life and have it more abundantly because every morning I know that HE is there to give me eternal life!

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Interesting side note. The board doesn't seem to share our Joy. It only allows you "X" number of emoticons (smilies) per post!

Hmmmm!

I wonder what "religious" denomination made it?

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I will not answer your last comment because I do not wish to turn this post into denominational rib poking...

And to bring more joy..I have joy because I have life...God gave me life, life from all the terror I lived and I am overfilling with the joy of it in my heart...You see the heart is where the Spirit and my spirit live and to be in commune with the King at all times fills me with the joy that could never be expressed.

I can tell you that my throat tightens and my chest feels a swelling of pulsating LOVE and nothing will ever compare to how soft and pliable I feel.

I love the Lord so very much and I will sing and shout and jump up and down...I will drop prostate to the floor in overwhelming emotion and not let one in the room bother me or disrupt my time in the presence of God's company. I will witness His love to any who care to hear..I will minister and sometimes I'll speak...(little side comment. I have a real hard time not speaking, as you can see, hehe)

Reminds me of the Song of Psalms..

Anyone else?

[Guest Semachiah]

Shalom Jackie,

My last comment was intended as a joke only!

Let me ask you in response to your last post, "Is that the worship style of your assembly as well?"

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[Guest jckduboise]

Yes it is..we love to sing and dance and praise the Lord in a mighty way..

No offense meant to last comment on your post..there is way too much of it happening here and I wasn't sure if you were kidding or not..

And is it the way of your assembly?