The blameless and uprightness of Job

June 8, 2006

The NIV states the themes of this book are as follows:

1:6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Stan also came with them.

7 The Lord said to Satan" Where have you come from?" Satan answered the Lord , "From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it."

8 Then the Lord said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; his is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil."

9"Does Job fear God for nothing:" Satan replied.

10 Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everthing he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread thoughout the land.

11 But stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face."

12 The Lord said to Satan, "Very well, then, everything he has is in your hands, but on the man himself do not lay a finger"

The Lord set boundries on Satan as to what he could do to Job and Satan had to follow God's order not to harm Job in any way.

I have found that the book of Job is a very interesting book indeed. Many ask questions regarding hardship and how God can allow this or that to happen........the remaining theme to this book are as follows.

I think about myself and the troubles I have seen lately. I have allowed Satan to point a finger at me and accuse me of wrong doing. Maybe so, but I am also a child of God. I am a fallible human being with refining that is required by God to make me into the person he wants me to become for His glory alone.

This tells me that regardless of the sins I have commited in the near past it is quite possible that I am not being punished for my sins, but in fact going through trials in order to strengthen my faith.

I have spent many days these past weeks trying to figure out where I have gone wrong, and I have asked the Lord if He has deserted me. Because let's face it, we as human beings certainly do not deserve the mercy and grace our Father gives us. Yet He gives it the same.

With this knowledge I am obligated to Abba to thank Him and praise Him even in my darkest hour.

How easy it is to blame the Lord for what the bad things that happen in our lives. But from this I gleen that we are to thank Him in all things. To praise Him even in the hardest moments, and to know that in the end it will all be justified by living eternally with our Father.

When Job learned that all of his children, his crops and livestock were all destroyed he tore at his robe..

1:20 At this, Job got up and tore his robe and shaved his head. Then he fell to the ground in worship, 21 and said "Naked I came from my mother's womb and naked I will depart. The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away; may the name of the Lord be praised.

22 In all this, Job did not sin by charging God with wrongdoing.

These "themes" are questions that are asked frequently in our threads. And the answers to these questions are right here in the book of Job.

So with the knowledge that the Lord will only allow Satan so much rope in which to test me and give God the oppurtunity to refine me, I can praise the King and thank Him for His boundless love that has brought me to His throne of Righteousness....

Once Job went through all that the Lord allowed and listened to his friends who stayed with him during his sickness. The Lord forgave Job for his grumbling and with Jobs offerings of prayer for his friends God forgave them also for of their wicked and arrogant words and ignorance.of what one friend claimed to be knowledge of the Lord's mind and works. In the end all that Job had lost and then some was restored by the Lord.

God is good indeed

June 9, 2006

Brandli5 · June 9, 2006

Yes, I agree with you.

Its not our sins always we are getting suffering from. When we ask forgivess we are forgiven. We are allowed to suffer sometimes for other reasons.

Sometimes it brings us closer to God, sometimes its for someone else to come closer.

God has his reasons for everything. It does no good for us to blame anything for our sufferings.

Sometimes we think we are suffering, but really in God's eyes we are not.

God will take care of our needs, but not our wants. And sometimes we get them mixed up. But God knows what we need, and that is what we get.

We are God's children, and he is the one who decides, I just wish I could always handle that. I am bad for worrying when I shouldn't.

June 9, 2006

I think we are all guilty of worrying. We live in the here and now. We can't see into our future and can only guess at the wonderful life we will live in heaven with Him. Patience is a difficult thing for someone who has never felt they belong in this place. I have never felt as if I am truly home. There are times when I feel such a longing and loneliness in my heart and have no idea why. Then it hits me, I am homesick!!

But the day will come when our patience and trust shows itself in the figure of our Lord God and we will know that the wait was well worthwhile.

God Bless you Brandi

ajesuschrist_mathetes · June 9, 2006

I factor these 2 Scriptures in also [not these only, though]:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Rom/Rom008.html#1

...

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together.

...

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Hbr/Hbr012.html#1

...

Hbr 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

Hbr 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

Hbr 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

...

June 9, 2006

I factor these 2 Scriptures in also [not these only, though]:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Rom/Rom008.html#1

...

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together.

...

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Hbr/Hbr012.html#1

...

Hbr 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

Hbr 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

Hbr 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

...

Yes, this is most important. I am so humbled and thankful that the Lord love me enough to discipline me and keeps my eyes and ears open to His teaching and words.

Praise be His name.

nebula · June 9, 2006

1:6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Stan also came with them.

Typos can be so funny!

(Sorry, couldn't resist!)

June 10, 2006

1:6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Stan also came with them.

Typos can be so funny!

(Sorry, couldn't resist!)

thanks for the laugh and catching that one. Boy it is a good thing I too can laugh at me..

God Bless you Nebula

redeemed098 · June 10, 2006

The NIV states the themes of this book are as follows:

<Satan cannot bring financial and physical destruction upon us unless it is God's permissive will, and God will set the limits.>

1:6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Stan also came with them.

7 The Lord said to Satan" Where have you come from?" Satan answered the Lord , "From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it."

8 Then the Lord said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; his is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil."

9"Does Job fear God for nothing:" Satan replied.

10 Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everthing he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread thoughout the land.

11 But stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face."

12 The Lord said to Satan, "Very well, then, everything he has is in your hands, but on the man himself do not lay a finger"

The Lord set boundries on Satan as to what he could do to Job and Satan had to follow God's order not to harm Job in any way.

I have found that the book of Job is a very interesting book indeed. Many ask questions regarding hardship and how God can allow this or that to happen........the remaining theme to this book are as follows.

<It is beyond our human ability to understand the "why's" behind all the suffering in the world>

I think about myself and the troubles I have seen lately. I have allowed Satan to point a finger at me and accuse me of wrong doing. Maybe so, but I am also a child of God. I am a fallible human being with refining that is required by God to make me into the person he wants me to become for His glory alone.

<Rest assured...the wicked will receive their just dues>

<We cannot blame all suffering on the sin in a sufferer's life>

This tells me that regardless of the sins I have commited in the near past it is quite possible that I am not being punished for my sins, but in fact going through trials in order to strengthen my faith.

<Suffering may sometimes be allowed in our lives to purify, to test, to teach or to strengthen the soul by showing us that when we have lost all, and only god remains...God remains enough>

I have spent many days these past weeks trying to figure out where I have gone wrong, and I have asked the Lord if He has deserted me. Because let's face it, we as human beings certainly do not deserve the mercy and grace our Father gives us. Yet He gives it the same.
With this knowledge I am obligated to Abba to thank Him and praise Him even in my darkest hour.

<God deserves and requests our love and praise regardless of our lot in life>

How easy it is to blame the Lord for what the bad things that happen in our lives. But from this I gleen that we are to thank Him in all things. To praise Him even in the hardest moments, and to know that in the end it will all be justified by living eternally with our Father.

<God will deliver all suffering believers either in this life or in that which is to come>

When Job learned that all of his children, his crops and livestock were all destroyed he tore at his robe..

1:20 At this, Job got up and tore his robe and shaved his head. Then he fell to the ground in worship, 21 and said "Naked I came from my mother's womb and naked I will depart. The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away; may the name of the Lord be praised.

22 In all this, Job did not sin by charging God with wrongdoing.

These "themes" are questions that are asked frequently in our threads. And the answers to these questions are right here in the book of Job.

So with the knowledge that the Lord will only allow Satan so much rope in which to test me and give God the oppurtunity to refine me, I can praise the King and thank Him for His boundless love that has brought me to His throne of Righteousness....

Once Job went through all that the Lord allowed and listened to his friends who stayed with him during his sickness. The Lord forgave Job for his grumbling and with Jobs offerings of prayer for his friends God forgave them also for of their wicked and arrogant words and ignorance.of what one friend claimed to be knowledge of the Lord's mind and works. In the end all that Job had lost and then some was restored by the Lord.

God is good indeed

I believe the book of Job has been puposely put in the bible to teach us how to suffer with grace, knowing that no matter what, God is in control, we can find rest in WHO God IS more so than what he can do for us. At the end of Jobs trials and testing time it is important to see what came of it all. His possessions may have doubled, but Job proved that possessions were not his focus. The Righteousness of God was Jobs complete focus. Though he was suffering he KNEW without a doubt that NOTHING could ever alter or challenge the righteouness of God. He KNEW that the God of all creation would never do or allow anything to happen that was WRONG....

Job once God had finished his dialogue with him said these words. "You said listen now and I will speak, I will question you and you shall answer me. My EARS had HEARD of you, but NOW my EYES have SEEN you." It is vital here to realise that the greatest of all the blessings Job received was having a REAL understanding of who God IS... Everything Job went through brought him Closer to God. His most amazing blessing through all the suffering was now KNOWING God. Suffering draws dependency on God,because through real suffering, when your family and friends have deserted you, God is still Faithful.

Jesus brought this principle of Gods Word to light with his first real instruction for Any and Every man.

"Seek FIRST the KINGDOM OF GOD and HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS and all these things shall be added unto you." In other words, don't seek the blessing, seek God..!! The blessing will follow, but your focus will not be on the blessing, it will be on the one who gives it.

Even satan must obey God. Satan was NEVER allowed to overstep the boundaries that God had enforced.

What is even more interesting is that we look at Job in a present tense and forget that God is eternal. We forget that God KNEW this time was coming when satan would try to undermine his authority through the revelation that men only serve God out of fear and because of all the blessings God provides.

Job proved that a man worships God for who he IS no matter what the circumstance because " and we KNOW that In ALL things God works for the good of those who Love him and are called according to HIS purpose." Romans 8:28 God had already purposed to take everything that satan meant for EVIL and work it for Good. Our God is the God who turns Curse into blessing....

An interesting point to close on I think.... Many speak of how Jobs friends are prayed for and forgiven by God as a result of Jobs prayers...Many also see all of Jobs friends as self righteous and bigoted and clearly wrong in all of their assessments of Jobs situation......

I want to leave you with something God showed ME about Jobs friends.........In the wash-up of everything God is careful to select the names of Job's friends whom he chooses to chastise...They are recorded as follows....

"After the Lord had said these things to Job, he said to ELIPHAZ THE TEMANITE, I am ANGRY with you and your TWO friends, because you have not spoken of me what is right as my servant Job HAS.... Please notice that Job had a very big pity party but he never once said anything wrong about God. Jobs friends clearly spoke WRONGLY about God.

It goes on to say, " so Eliphaz the Temanite, Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Namathite DID what the Lord told them; and the Lord accepted Job's prayer (For his friends.)

Point of interest ........!!!!!!!!

What about Elihu....?? God was careful to point out even by name those whom Job must pray for, yet clearly there was no mention of Elihu. A fourth person and yet only THREE of Job's friends came to visit... Where did Elihu come from and why was he not also selected among those who spoke WRONGLY of God. Surely a man who says. "Listen to what I have to say for "THERE IS MORE TO BE SAID IN GODS BEHALF. I GET MY KNOWLEDGE FROM AFAR; I WILL ASCRIBE JUSTICE TO MY MAKER, BE ASSURED THAT MY WORDS ARE NOT FALSE FOR ONE PERFECT IN WISDOM IS WITH YOU."

How on earth can such a bold statement of perfect wisdom be professed by a mere man and go UNchallenged by God when clearly Jobs friends were all chastised for speaking incorrectly about God....???? If a man claims that he HAS PERFECT WISDOM and is NOT chastised by God then certainly that man has not spoken falsely....True....????? This is a circumstance where men were clearly selected as men who have NOT spoken correctly and Job is called to pray for them so that they can receive Gods forgiveness.....Elihu is never mentioned again.....WHY...??? Who was he and what happened to him...?? Where did he go and why wasnt he one of those Job had to pray for........?????? The answer.....Elihu was The Lord... He was perfect in wisdom....Read his words yourself...I have never heard such amazing wisdom in ALL of the bible as the chapters of Elihu's dialogue....Make of it what you will.... This is simply what the Lord showed or revealed to me....

Regards,

Ben.

Edited June 10, 2006 by redeemed098

June 10, 2006

The NIV states the themes of this book are as follows:

<Satan cannot bring financial and physical destruction upon us unless it is God's permissive will, and God will set the limits.>

1:6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Stan also came with them.

7 The Lord said to Satan" Where have you come from?" Satan answered the Lord , "From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it."

8 Then the Lord said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; his is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil."

9"Does Job fear God for nothing:" Satan replied.

10 Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everthing he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread thoughout the land.

11 But stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face."

12 The Lord said to Satan, "Very well, then, everything he has is in your hands, but on the man himself do not lay a finger"

The Lord set boundries on Satan as to what he could do to Job and Satan had to follow God's order not to harm Job in any way.

I have found that the book of Job is a very interesting book indeed. Many ask questions regarding hardship and how God can allow this or that to happen........the remaining theme to this book are as follows.

<It is beyond our human ability to understand the "why's" behind all the suffering in the world>

I think about myself and the troubles I have seen lately. I have allowed Satan to point a finger at me and accuse me of wrong doing. Maybe so, but I am also a child of God. I am a fallible human being with refining that is required by God to make me into the person he wants me to become for His glory alone.

<Rest assured...the wicked will receive their just dues>

<We cannot blame all suffering on the sin in a sufferer's life>

This tells me that regardless of the sins I have commited in the near past it is quite possible that I am not being punished for my sins, but in fact going through trials in order to strengthen my faith.

<Suffering may sometimes be allowed in our lives to purify, to test, to teach or to strengthen the soul by showing us that when we have lost all, and only god remains...God remains enough>

I have spent many days these past weeks trying to figure out where I have gone wrong, and I have asked the Lord if He has deserted me. Because let's face it, we as human beings certainly do not deserve the mercy and grace our Father gives us. Yet He gives it the same.
With this knowledge I am obligated to Abba to thank Him and praise Him even in my darkest hour.

<God deserves and requests our love and praise regardless of our lot in life>

How easy it is to blame the Lord for what the bad things that happen in our lives. But from this I gleen that we are to thank Him in all things. To praise Him even in the hardest moments, and to know that in the end it will all be justified by living eternally with our Father.

<God will deliver all suffering believers either in this life or in that which is to come>

When Job learned that all of his children, his crops and livestock were all destroyed he tore at his robe..

1:20 At this, Job got up and tore his robe and shaved his head. Then he fell to the ground in worship, 21 and said "Naked I came from my mother's womb and naked I will depart. The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away; may the name of the Lord be praised.

22 In all this, Job did not sin by charging God with wrongdoing.

These "themes" are questions that are asked frequently in our threads. And the answers to these questions are right here in the book of Job.

So with the knowledge that the Lord will only allow Satan so much rope in which to test me and give God the oppurtunity to refine me, I can praise the King and thank Him for His boundless love that has brought me to His throne of Righteousness....

Once Job went through all that the Lord allowed and listened to his friends who stayed with him during his sickness. The Lord forgave Job for his grumbling and with Jobs offerings of prayer for his friends God forgave them also for of their wicked and arrogant words and ignorance.of what one friend claimed to be knowledge of the Lord's mind and works. In the end all that Job had lost and then some was restored by the Lord.

God is good indeed

I believe the book of Job has been puposely put in the bible to teach us how to suffer with grace, knowing that no matter what, God is in control, we can find rest in WHO God IS more so than what he can do for us. At the end of Jobs trials and testing time it is important to see what came of it all. His possessions may have doubled, but Job proved that possessions were not his focus. The Righteousness of God was Jobs complete focus. Though he was suffering he KNEW without a doubt that NOTHING could ever alter or challenge the righteouness of God. He KNEW that the God of all creation would never do or allow anything to happen that was WRONG....
Job once God had finished his dialogue with him said these words. "You said listen now and I will speak, I will question you and you shall answer me. My EARS had HEARD of you, but NOW my EYES have SEEN you." It is vital here to realise that the greatest of all the blessings Job received was having a REAL understanding of who God IS... Everything Job went through brought him Closer to God. His most amazing blessing through all the suffering was now KNOWING God. Suffering draws dependency on God,because through real suffering, when your family and friends have deserted you, God is still Faithful.
Jesus brought this principle of Gods Word to light with his first real instruction for Any and Every man.

"Seek FIRST the KINGDOM OF GOD and HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS and all these things shall be added unto you." In other words, don't seek the blessing, seek God..!! The blessing will follow, but your focus will not be on the blessing, it will be on the one who gives it.
Even satan must obey God. Satan was NEVER allowed to overstep the boundaries that God had enforced.
What is even more interesting is that we look at Job in a present tense and forget that God is eternal. We forget that God KNEW this time was coming when satan would try to undermine his authority through the revelation that men only serve God out of fear and because of all the blessings God provides.
Job proved that a man worships God for who he IS no matter what the circumstance because " and we KNOW that In ALL things God works for the good of those who Love him and are called according to HIS purpose." Romans 8:28 God had already purposed to take everything that satan meant for EVIL and work it for Good. Our God is the God who turns Curse into blessing....

An interesting point to close on I think.... Many speak of how Jobs friends are prayed for and forgiven by God as a result of Jobs prayers...Many also see all of Jobs friends as self righteous and bigoted and clearly wrong in all of their assessments of Jobs situation......
I want to leave you with something God showed ME about Jobs friends.........In the wash-up of everything God is careful to select the names of Job's friends whom he chooses to chastise...They are recorded as follows....

"After the Lord had said these things to Job, he said to ELIPHAZ THE TEMANITE, I am ANGRY with you and your TWO friends, because you have not spoken of me what is right as my servant Job HAS.... Please notice that Job had a very big pity party but he never once said anything wrong about God. Jobs friends clearly spoke WRONGLY about God.
It goes on to say, " so Eliphaz the Temanite, Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Namathite DID what the Lord told them; and the Lord accepted Job's prayer (For his friends.)
Point of interest ........!!!!!!!!
What about Elihu....?? God was careful to point out even by name those whom Job must pray for, yet clearly there was no mention of Elihu. A fourth person and yet only THREE of Job's friends came to visit... Where did Elihu come from and why was he not also selected among those who spoke WRONGLY of God. Surely a man who says. "Listen to what I have to say for "THERE IS MORE TO BE SAID IN GODS BEHALF. I GET MY KNOWLEDGE FROM AFAR; I WILL ASCRIBE JUSTICE TO MY MAKER, BE ASSURED THAT MY WORDS ARE NOT FALSE FOR ONE PERFECT IN WISDOM IS WITH YOU."
How on earth can such a bold statement of perfect wisdom be professed by a mere man and go UNchallenged by God when clearly Jobs friends were all chastised for speaking incorrectly about God....???? If a man claims that he HAS PERFECT WISDOM and is NOT chastised by God then certainly that man has not spoken falsely....True....????? This is a circumstance where men were clearly selected as men who have NOT spoken correctly and Job is called to pray for them so that they can receive Gods forgiveness.....Elihu is never mentioned again.....WHY...??? Who was he and what happened to him...?? Where did he go and why wasnt he one of those Job had to pray for........?????? The answer.....Elihu was The Lord... He was perfect in wisdom....Read his words yourself...I have never heard such amazing wisdom in ALL of the bible as the chapters of Elihu's dialogue....Make of it what you will.... This is simply what the Lord showed or revealed to me....

Regards,
Ben.