Why a Trinity?

[emeraldgirl]

Mattew 28:19; 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

1 Peter 1:2; Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

2 Corinthians 13:14; 14The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

Yeah, but again, these scriptures simply say that there is three, not that they are one.

I demand comment on post #11.! (Hey, there isn't a mean looking smilie!) No really, is it clear or confusing? Is my model valid or not?

Easy, Mark, sheesh! I can only even do this during naps or at night! And what is your IQ? Cause mine is like 140 and I still think you're way to smart for me.

[Mark777]

I was playing at being serious, E. Girl. My IQ is that of the average artist - it depends on what style of thinking I am using!

Mark

[Christian]

That's one reason I don't accept Biblical inerrancy, another "must" apparently.

Not to call you out here but it's inerrancy is the the basis of "Christians" faith as well as in the SOF of Worthy

in Worthy's Statement of Faith: We believe that the 66 books of the Canon, from Genesis to Revelation are the exhaustive, inerrant and inspired word of God.

Genesis 1:26

And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness.

I think the plural usage here demonstrates the Creation account's ties to mythology existing at the time

So you feel that the Bible has included references of pagan mythology?

Whenever I've signed a Statement of Beliefs, "Christian" is defined by, among other things, believing that the Bible is the infallible, inerrant, complete, inspired Word of God, and believing that God exists in the Triune model - three in one. I'm pretty much loathe to even call myself a Christian anymore, because there's always someone waiting by to tell me that I'm not a "true" Christian or a "real" Christian.

Well that would be one of the things that does define us (Christians) as we have been taught. But your freeform faith, and thinking, along with the inability to accept it should not allow you to condemn those who do either.

I'm truly sorry if I seem judgemental, it is not my intention. I am just testing the spirits here as I should. Your crisis of faith and defiant stance are not something that should silence my questions, nor my disagreement with your statements I do hope you understand.

I pray you will find your peace about these matters

in Christ,

-CC-

[Christian]

No one is saved by their logic; the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in our bodies and the hearing of the Gospel, which brings us to faith, save us. Logic serves us, and should not be shunned at all, but we cannot base our faith on our own human logic.

This is an awesome statement by the way Smalcald

[Trinity]

Here is a good idea to look at God

The Tri-unity, as read in Genesis, the first book of the Christian bible, it becomes clear that God is a united team, proving both God

[emeraldgirl]

That's one reason I don't accept Biblical inerrancy, another "must" apparently.

Not to call you out here but it's inerrancy is the the basis of "Christians" faith as well as in the SOF of Worthy

QUOTE

in Worthy's Statement of Faith: We believe that the 66 books of the Canon, from Genesis to Revelation are the exhaustive, inerrant and inspired word of God.

Uhhh....Yes, I know that, that's what I just said to Oveyeda. (Sorry if I'm butchering your username.)

So you feel that the Bible has included references of pagan mythology?

Yes. I think the account of the fall is not true and illogical. I think the Tower of Babel is not true and illogical. I think the flood is not true and illogical. I think Abraham's "Test" is absurd; we have a name for people who imagine God told them to kill their child - psychotic! I think the story of the 12th plague is horrifying; I plain out hope it's not true! I could go on, but I doubt you're interested.

But your freeform faith, and thinking, along with the inability to accept it should not allow you to condemn those who do either.

Huh? Condemn who doing what? I condemn nobody here. After all, *I'm* not the one who supposes I know who is "saved" and who is damned.

I'm truly sorry if I seem judgemental, it is not my intention. I am just testing the spirits here as I should. Your crisis of faith and defiant stance are not something that should silence my questions, nor my disagreement with your statements I do hope you understand.

I pray you will find your peace about these matters

You are judgemental, CC. You're sweet attempt at the end of your ax-weilding hardly makes up. It's like putting a band-aid on an amputation.

It's interesting you chose for your username "Crusader". A fitting term. I can see you are proud to wear it. Of course, you have the right to say, ask or think anything you like, I don't disagree. But do you have any interest in a soul who, by your definition, would be lost? Or do you just want to torch the infidels? If I, in your belief, were headed to eternal torture in hell, would your belittling of me be that one thing I needed to see the light?

And BTW, I didn't place this post in "Inner Court" because I was trying to stay where the heretics are mostly allowed to speak freely. It was moved here by the mod.

[Mark777]

E. Girl,

Why do you think that these things in the Bible are not true? Are you saying that they are not rational or what? What leads you into thinking what you do? Feel free to explain completely - you have as much right to do so as anyone else here.

I have been a member of a cult message board for six years. I am their pet Christian. They have put up with me all this time and I just wanted to extend the same welcome to you here on this board.

Mark

[Fiosh]

Mattew 28:19; 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

1 Peter 1:2; Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

2 Corinthians 13:14; 14The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

Yeah, but again, these scriptures simply say that there is three, not that they are one.

I demand comment on post #11.! (Hey, there isn't a mean looking smilie!) No really, is it clear or confusing? Is my model valid or not?

Easy, Mark, sheesh! I can only even do this during naps or at night! And what is your IQ? Cause mine is like 140 and I still think you're way to smart for me.

John 17: 20-23

(Jesus prays)

"I pray not only for them, but also for those who will believe in me through their word,

so that they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me.

And I have given them the glory you gave me, so that they may be one, as we are one,

Peace,

Fiosh

[Guest Car54WhereRU]

Emerald,

I can tell you are looking through the eye of flesh cause you are trying to "logically" and physically understand something that is a mystery and spiritual. Like I said, the Bible says that the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God, neither can he know them. So your issue is not with me but with the word of God, which is a spritiual, living book.

I see you say your I.Q. is 140, but it takes the faith of a child to accept the things of God. I will venture to say your I.Q. could be one of your hinderances to God revealing himself to you.

Have a nice day.

[emeraldgirl]

I was playing about my IQ, because Mark's post was so sophisticated. It was a joke. Jeesh, take any little thing and try to use it against me...

Why do you think that these things in the Bible are not true? Are you saying that they are not rational or what? What leads you into thinking what you do? Feel free to explain completely - you have as much right to do so as anyone else here.

I have been a member of a cult message board for six years. I am their pet Christian. They have put up with me all this time and I just wanted to extend the same welcome to you here on this board.

This would take a very long post and I don't really have the time, but I'll try to boil some things down quickly.

Story of the fall:

1) If they did not yet possess "knowledge of good and evil", they were morally innocent, like my toddler. I do not punish my toddler for making a mistake of moral innocence. Let alone would I punish everyone for time eternal. Since I assume I am not more just than God, I don't believe this story is true.

2) I don't believe in Original Sin, besides. I believe we are all born with the capability of choosing good or choosing evil. Sooner or later, we all make an eventual choice that is evil, but we also make choices for good. If we love God, I do believe He can help us to choose good more often than evil, but we also have to want that. Too many Christians, IME, simply are satisfied that they are forgiven and they pay no attention to their gaping flaws. They don't ask God to help them choose good; they are blind to their evil-doing.

3) The description of God is human-like. Presumably, Adam and Eve could have lived for thousands of years in the garden, eating from the Tree of Life, and passing up the center tree repeatedly. But wasn't this surely an eventual failure? Sooner or later, they were bound to make a choice for evil, because it exists as one of two possibilities. Even Satan (supposedly) made the choice for evil, though he was in the perfection of Heaven, right? So, anyway, God could have figured that this would happen; even I could see it coming.

And quickly now,

The Tower of Babel

1) God has to "come down" to check out the tower;

2) God is concerned that the tower could be built into the heavens, which shows pre-scientific understanding of a relatively close heaven, not to mention not understanding engineering problems of tall towers. These are things God should have, at least, thought hillarious, not threatening;

3) God creates racial tensions and authors confusion.

There's also the reference before the flood that the "sons of god" married the "daughters of man". Scholars debate this, but to me it simply reflects pagan beliefs about celestial beings having intercourse with and children with humans.

The flood has so many logistical and scientific problems, I can't even list them all, but here's a few;

1) Why didn't God know that the whole human race would become totally evil in every way? And if you believe in predestination, which I definately DON'T, but if you do, why would he have predestined no one but Noah for this time period, "forcing" him to have to start over?

2) Why did God even need Noah to save the animals; he could have just spoke them into existence again.

3) What did the animals eat when they left the ark?

4) Naturally, there is a problem with narrow gene pools both in the animal kingdom and with humans, a problem that comes up for every thinking person both with Adam and Eve and after the flood.

Anyway, that's enough for now. Thank you for your graciousness, Mark.