Christian & Catholic Marital Question

[jesusislord]

AMEN BROTHER MIKE.

I was reading a catholic manual that my dear wife got in the mail .

it said that we are saved by grace alone but not by faith alone as the Bible Christians teach... it says see this verse.

Jam 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

now as i understood that they said this says saved by grace ...... where.

now the scirpture i say and have always said that we are saved by is.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

we are saved by grace through faith........ not a thing about works here.

and her says it is free....

Rom 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one [judgment came] upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one [the free gift came] upon all men unto justification of life.

Rom 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Rom 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

Rom 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

now to conclude this fi we have to work for our salvation we cannot do it salvation is a free gift from GOD...

ONE LAST VERSE........

Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then [is it] no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if [it be] of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work

[homebild]

"No Rapture????

No Heaven if i am not good nuff????

No Hell if i am not bad nuff???

MAN!!..... what are we living for????

what are we hoping for ??????

so we have NO HOPE???? MAN! WE ARE ALL LOST."

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I have a better one:

What are you TALKING about!!!???

[artsylady]

Why is your fiance so adamant about getting married in the Catholic Church? Does it have anything to do with fear, control or guilt?

[homebild]

"Why is your fiance so adamant about getting married in the Catholic Church? Does it have anything to do with fear, control or guilt? "

Why does the OP insist on getting married in HIS church?

Does it have anything to do with fear, control or guilt?

[Guest jettd1313]

I have discussed this numerous times and its similar to the situation that rollin thunder shared. She doesn't understand or knows what she believes or why she believes. I am of the mindset that I should not have to "accept Christ over again" to prove to some man that I believe when I have already done so on my knees. I really think the disagreement stems from her lack of knowledge on her beliefs and my depth and surety of my beliefs. When I start giving her the Word and what it says about things like praying to the Virgin Mary or to Saints or confessing to a priest rather than to Christ himself, I am met with a lack of meaningful retorts that are substantive. I think my light and my knowledge are beginning to show her things that she did not know before about "religion" and what I have which is a personal relationship with Christ.

I all your getting get understanding.

[homebild]

". When I start giving her the Word and what it says about things like praying to the Virgin Mary or to Saints or confessing to a priest rather than to Christ himself, I am met with a lack of meaningful retorts that are substantive. "

With silly statements like the above no wonder you are met with lack of meaningful replies.

Such allegations as you post above show enough of your own lack of Biblical understanding and Church history that YOU need to take a lesson or two before you are capable of leading your fiance` out of her "darkness".

All you seem to have affirmed by this entire thread is that you don't understand, don't want to understand, and are unwilling to understand what the Catholic Church teaches and why, and what your fiance` believes and why.

Nor to find how much your own tradition and Roman Catholic tradition have in common.

One thing is becoming abundantly clear.

You are not only not ready for this marriage, you are not at all ready for ANY marriage.

You need a lot more time to grow up before even considering that step, and I mean no disrespect.

Marriage is compromise and if you cannot compromise your erroneously held beliefs, then there is no hope for you of success in a lifelong permanent dissoluble partnership with another believer.

May God speedily mature you.

[artsylady]

Homebild:

Why does the OP insist on getting married in HIS church?

Does it have anything to do with fear, control or guilt?

The reason I asked the question, is because it sounded like this guy's fiance is not really into her religion that much anyway. She doesn't even attend the church. Therefore, what is her motivation for being so insistant?

[artsylady]

Jettd:

I

have discussed this numerous times and its similar to the situation that rollin thunder shared. She doesn't understand or knows what she believes or why she believes.

Ask her if her insistance is fear or guilt based. Sounds like it might be. And no offence Homebild, but sometimes, fear and guilt and control are great motivators, but they are wrong. I grew up in a PROTESTANT church that used this for motivation and it was wrong. I turned away from it, but eventually did come back to it, but not because of fear or guilt.

I am of the mindset that I should not have to "accept Christ over again" to prove to some man that I believe when I have already done so on my knees.

Makes sense to me.

I really think the disagreement stems from her lack of knowledge on her beliefs and my depth and surety of my beliefs.

Sounds that way. I am very good friends with a Catholic and have been for about 10 years. The one time I questioned something about something about her religion, she became very defensive and acted offended, but I really was only asking a question. Since that time, I've learned that I won't ask her any questions about her religion. We're cool now, thank God. But in a marriage, you want to be able to talk about these things and be in agreement on most of them. I understand your dilema.

When I start giving her the Word and what it says about things like praying to the Virgin Mary or to Saints or confessing to a priest rather than to Christ himself, I am met with a lack of meaningful retorts that are substantive. I think my light and my knowledge are beginning to show her things that she did not know before about "religion" and what I have which is a personal relationship with Christ.

Sounds like she is open then.

[homebild]

Artsy inquired: "The reason I asked the question, is because it sounded like this guy's fiance is not really into her religion that much anyway. She doesn't even attend the church. Therefore, what is her motivation for being so insistant?"

It sounds more to me that you are drawing conclusions and inferrences which are largley presumptions...and biased one's at that.

Simply because the girl does not 'appear to be into her religion that much' because she doesn't regularly attend services does NOT mean she is not a believer or that her faith is not a large and active part in her life.

The fact that she in fact has INSISTED on taking the matter of marriage to the Church and to her spiritual fathers is actually quite admirable and wise.

It shows a great deal of wisdom and willingness to be instructed by the Church in what is fundamental council for any believer before commiting to an indissoulable sacrament within the Church.

The male fiance in this issue has actually been the one who has been reluctant to hear spiritual counsel, makes up stories about what catholics teach concerning marriage and would require of him, and even misrepresents that catholics teach he needs to come to Christ 'again' despite it being patently false.

Considering that the Barna Organization, a well known and respected Protestant Christian Polling firm concluded a few years ago that Fundamentalist Christians have the highest divorces rates in America among Christians (even higher than Atheists for that matter), and Catholics the lowest...it would seem that this woman has been proeprly instructed in the permanance and importance of marriage and despite the fact she may not have been a regular attendee at Church, understands the gravity of marriage sufficiently enough to get the facts from her Church before making a flippant decision which may affect her for eternity.

And your andecdotes about your Catholic friends and guilt and fear are all fine and dandy....they are all mere speculation on your part and completely unrelated to the issue at hand.

What IS clear, is that the male fiance`here is threatened by his girlfriend's seeking of independant spiritual counsel. This is a VERY BAD SIGN and indicate a male who wants to isolate and dominate his bride.

The fact he remains unwilling to hear good godly counsel from his fiance's pastor(s) is even MORE alarming.

But what is even MOST alarming, is that this male fiance` doesn't have a proper grasp upon his OWN faith or what the BIBLE teaches about marriage and is in no position to reject counsel at this point in favor of his own personal and apparantly misguided notions over properly trained clergy no matter which denomination.

Frankly, I think the girl is going to be the ultimate 'winner' here by not marrying our OP....

[jesusislord]

homebild...... MARRIAGE IS PART COMPROMISE BUT SINCE WHEN IS THE WORD OF GOD OMPROMISE....

If a person feels that strongly about his beliefs prasie the LORD.

we should never coimpromise the word of GOD.....

IF I did or my wife did we both would actually think less of each other.

sure we sin and compromise in that way but we do our best never to comprmise it in anyway.

now should we compromise out be;oefs for anybody noway

be blessed brothers and sisters