Salvation is of the jews

[Guest charlie]

Yod, I'm fairly new to this forum but as many times as I've seen you call people names and unfairly accuse them I think you must feel very "uncomfortable" with your position on things. The truth seems to make you squirm. It says in the Bible that satan is always "accusing" us before God. You seem to always be "accusing" those of us on this forum who disagree with you. You try to twist our words or add to or take away. It doesn't work. It only reveals your insecurity.

[edited to add] Have you ever thought about converting to Judaism? Going by your words, and attitude toward other Christians, you seem to be more into the Jewish thang than the Christian thang.

[Guest shiloh357]

Yod, I'm fairly new to this forum

Which explains the absurd statements that follow in the rest of your post.

[Guest shiloh357]

It is interesting how those who are anit-Semites hate being referenced as such. I have heard several anit-Semites both Christian and non Christian speak of their hatred of Israel and the Jewish people but claim that they are not anti-Semitic. Jessse Jackson calls New York City "Hymie Town." He believes that Israel should be dismantled and the Jews should be dispersed. He has however, admantly denied that he is anti-Semitc. I have run into Christians all the time, who hate Israel, but cannot understand why hating Israel could be considered anti-Semitic. It shows just how irrational this hatred of Israel has become. Israel is accused of being "racist" which is completely unfounded. The only people who are considered racist for wanting a country of their own is the Jews. No other group would ever be accused of such a thing. It is not "racist" for the Palestinians to want their own country.

[Guest idolsmasher]

As usual you miss the point entirely Shiloh. You should take off those Rose colored glasses when you look at Israel.

[Guest Benny]

Now, don't get me wrong here. I agree with, "salvation is of the Jews."

[Guest Benny]

It is interesting how those who are anit-Semites hate being referenced as such. I have heard several anit-Semites both Christian and non Christian speak of their hatred of Israel and the Jewish people but claim that they are not anti-Semitic. Jessse Jackson calls New York City "Hymie Town." He believes that Israel should be dismantled and the Jews should be dispersed. He has however, admantly denied that he is anti-Semitc. I have run into Christians all the time, who hate Israel, but cannot understand why hating Israel could be considered anti-Semitic. It shows just how irrational this hatred of Israel has become. Israel is accused of being "racist" which is completely unfounded. The only people who are considered racist for wanting a country of their own is the Jews. No other group would ever be accused of such a thing. It is not "racist" for the Palestinians to want their own country.

"Israel is accused of being "racist" which is completely unfounded."

While I do not believe all Jews in Israel are racists, I know the Israeli government with their American built tanks, helecopters, and missles show little reguard or compassion for the women and children of the Palistianian people. Just do the research.

But to respond to the non-racist Jews. Let us look at what just some of the many like minded remarks made by Jews themselves are. All of the following statements are made by Jews, none by me. So call these Jews antiSemetic or otherwise, not me.

[Guest yod]

As far as your bad teaching comment is concerned, I agree with that. But to say that Christians were their worst persecuters of Jews is not only false and misleading, but shows a lack of real understanding of the scriptures and history as well. It has been the Jews that were the worst persecuters of the Christian faith. That is both evedent in the New Testament as well as the writtings of the early (1st century) church leaders. I sudgest you read the New Testament a little closer, and possibly Justins first Apoplogy.

the only people that the jews persecuted were other jews whom they believed (wrongly) were traitors to their faith.

Where in the Bible did a gentile ever get persecuted by the jews for believing in Jesus?

Even so, that ended by the year 100 AD. The persecution that John speaks of in the Book of Revelation is from the Romans...Nero.

If you think that christians have not been the worst persecutors of jews then you simply don't know history. I suggest "Our Hands Are Stained With Blood" by Dr. Michael Brown. It is an easy read and it will break your heart as it did mine. You'll understand why I'm so passionate about this particular issue.

So much wrong has been done to the jews in the name of Christ....and the underlying premise is so subtle. I'm sure that you and Charlie and Idolsmasher are sincere about what you believe....and I'm also sure that you are sincerely misinformed.

A real Christian would never persecute anyone no matter who they are, or how badly they hate the true Christian faith. Just because someone calls themself a Christian, that doesn't accually mean they are one.

I used to think the same way...but the truth is that christians are still sinners. Martin Luther's writings laid the groundwork for the Third Reich to expel jews from Germany. Was he not a christian?

As George pointed out that you are not a Jew, I would say that you might consider converting

I already have. I'm a converted sinner.

Now I'm following biblical judaism....also known as christianity in some circles.

Would you even consider that you have been robbed of you heritage?

[Guest yod]

There are many more quotes that can be quoted in the same vain by Jews, but I will let it rest at this.

Good. I won't start quoting Charlie Manson then....

Let's break this down to the most basic level of communication. What is your definition of;

1. Zionism

2. Jew

3. Israel

4. Terrorist

5. Security

6. Human rights

7. Palestinian

8. Democracy

9. Dictator

10. Equality

If you can give me the most basic definition of those terms, I'll show you why I think you are on the wrong side of this debate......the world's side.

[Guest shiloh357]

Idolsmasher

As usual you miss the point entirely Shiloh. You should take off those Rose colored glasses when you look at Israel

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No I do not miss the point Idosmasher. You are the one who misses the point. You say that nothing we have said about Arafat and his thugs could be found anywhere execpt in statements made by us "racist" Zionists. So, I started going and finding quoatations made by Arafat from Palestinians sources. Strangly you refused to respond to those posts. I started going to non-zionist websites and posting Arafat's own words in the Israeli Palestinian conflict threads. I posted my references as well. Anyone can go to those places and find what I found.

So really YOU miss the point. I have found what you said could not be found. I proved that the Palestinians really do not want peace, and want the terrorism to continue even IF Israel conceded 100% to their demands. I proved that it is the desctruction of Israel that they want and not peace. You are so misinformed on the issue, that a true debate with you is impossible. You have no grasp on what is really going on at all. The Palestinians, in their own words continue to make a fool out of you. Or course, every posting you make defending Arafat makes a fool out of you as well.

[Guest shiloh357]

While I do not believe all Jews in Israel are racists, I know the Israeli government with their American built tanks, helecopters, and missles show little reguard or compassion for the women and children of the Palistianian people. Just do the research.

The problem with this remark is that it completely ignores 55 years of terrorism and wars imposed upon the Jewish people. It is as if that part of history just never happened. Frankly, it is incorrect when one does the research. More to the point, nothing Israel has done up to this point, would have ever been done had it not been for the violence committed against the country. How is it that terrorists can sneak into Jewish homes and kill little babies and elderly in their beds and that is completely ignored. However if one of the security guards in a Jewish neighborhood kills such terrorists, he is racist? That is how this is colored.

The Palestinians every day call for Israel's destruction. Everyday they plan and carry out terrorist attacks aimed at the most vulnerable parts of Israeli society. Yet we hear not a peep from people like you. Yet let Jew raise a finger in self defense, and OH NO!!!!! Those terrible Jews!!!!!! how dare they !!!!!???? Jews are the only people who are condemned because they prefer not to be terrorized. The nations of the world are allowed to fight terrorism in any way they feel necessary including usage 15,000 lb. daisy cutters.

Israel however who has killed far less civilians in its war on terrorism, is the one who is supposed to show restraint.

People like you hold Israel to a double standard. Frankly, the more you post the garbage I read from you, it shows what you are. The other quotes are some I have read before, and as usual are used out of context.