Salvation is of the jews

December 14, 2003

Yod, do you think that by living and working in Israel that you're "in too deep" in your current theological, prophetic thinking to admit to yourself that your thinking could be.....wrong? It would be awful hard to "accept" or admit if you were wrong, considering where you're at and why you're there. I had to swallow my pride on this subject and I'm in here the U.S. Eating crow isn't fun especially if you've been in other people faces for disagreeing with you but that "embarrassed" feeling passes after a little while. It just seems like you bend over backward to avoid any "uncomfortable" truths why yelling at the top of your lungs that all you really want is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. There are "uncomfortable" truths surrounding every race and religion on earth. Yet, it seems like you are willing to acknowledge this fact about every race and religion EXCEPT the Jewish one. Who do you really worship here?

December 14, 2003

first of all..I'm in Texas.

I didn't come to any conclusions with a bias for jews. I was raised in a town run by the KKK and a couple of years of Catholicism turned me into an atheist by age 15

I revisited the Bible at age 30 in a search to disprove christianity and found that cultural christianity was built on traditions that have little to do with the Bible. It's easy to find fault with christianity (and us christians) but impossible to find fault with the Word of God.

If you take the Bible in it's context it is the story of how God the Father chose a race of people to bring His blessing to all peoples....

It is the story of how He is faithful though we are not. Case in point: Israel.

It is the story of the history of the world from beginning to end. If you would take a long-term view of the Bible you would have to conclude that the jews are our brothers in faith though they are in a terribly backsliden state at the time. They are the younger brother in the story of the Prodigal son (gentiles came first).....we are acting as jealously as the older brother did at their return.

I'm trying to convince you that yours is a worldy way of thinking.

"Come out of her O my people for the time is come to judge Babylon"

OneAccord · December 14, 2003

If you take the Bible in it's context it is the story of how God the Father chose a race of people to bring His blessing to all peoples....

It is the story of how He is faithful though we are not. Case in point: Israel.

It is the story of the history of the world from beginning to end. If you would take a long-term view of the Bible you would have to conclude that the jews are our brothers in faith though they are in a terribly backsliden state at the time. They are the younger brother in the story of the Prodigal son (gentiles came first).....we are acting as jealously as the older brother did at their return.

Yod:

I am in agreement with your post here but I want to address your statement that the jews are in a terribly backslidden state at the time.

If they are operating out of a backslidden state, then how can you put a blanket endorsement on their foreign policies regarding eratz Israel.

Also, the Jewish people are as varied as any other people, with many Jews standing against the political goings on over there. It seems that in trying to bless Israel, you are only blessing those that hold to a similar Zionist opinion and not those that stand opposed. In this you would bless some and curse others.

December 14, 2003

If they are operating out of a backslidden state, then how can you put a blanket endorsement on their foreign policies regarding eratz Israel.

Blessing Israel is not a blanket endorsement of everything the Israeli government does. Blessing Israel does not require one to agree with every foreign policy issue that they make. I have disagreed with Israel in the past and disagree with some things I see happening right now. We should bless Israel inspite of their shortcomings. God is in covenant with them, and he has not revoked that covenant no matter how hard that Christians like to fantasize that He has.

I find it interesting that those who constantly complain about Israel's policies are so onesided. When will Israel's critics visit their perfectionism on the Palestinians and their policies of killing innocent children on purpose? When will they condemn the calls for Israel's destruction that occur almost every day in mosques that sit on Israeli soil?

If anyone in anaother country breathed threats against their leaders the way the Palestinians have done against Sharon, they would be arrested and jailed for who knows how long. In some places, it will get you killed. Yet, in Israel these people are free to roam the streets. Israel has permitted Arafat to run around free for the last 46 or so years. Frankly, If I were the leader of a country and Arafat were doing that stuff to my people, Arafat would be dead in less than a week.

Even if Israel makes mistakes regarding certain policies, those mistakes are made in the midst of a war for survival imposed upon them from the Arabs and Palestinians. These mistakes would never have been made in the first place if Israel were not suffering from 55 years of war and terrorist attacks perpetrated upon them. So it is the Palestinians that caused these bad "policies" to come into existance. They wanted a Jihad, and they got one. Everyone is just ticked at Israel because the bullets can fly both ways. The Palestinians and the Arabs drew first blood. They started this whole thing. Critics act like Israel's counterterrrorism is being done in a vacuum. It is as if there were no terrorism going on and Israel is just doing these things for fun. They turn a blind eye to terrorism, and condemn Israelis for wanting live long enough to see their grandchildren.

OneAccord · December 14, 2003

We should bless Israel inspite of their shortcomings.

I believe we should extend the blessing to all peoples, we are never called to curse anyone anywhere in the Bible.

December 14, 2003

I believe we should extend the blessing to all peoples, we are never called to curse anyone anywhere in the Bible.

No we should not curse anyone. But, Israel is not cursing the Palestinians. The Palestinians are bringing their own problems on themselves. IF they want their lives to be better, all they have to do is stop killing Jews. That is all that needs to happen. As long as they continue their murderous rampage across the nation of Israel, they will get what they deserve.