Does God Follow the Ten Commandments?

[sylvan3]

Why would God need to be subject to the 10 commandments?

Because then he could lie.

There are two different issues here. They are:

1. Are the 10 commandments binding on God? The answer to that one is no. The 10 commandments were given by God to humans so that they could live in a covenental relationship with Him.

2. Can God lie? The answer is no. And it is not because the command not to lie is in the 10 commandments. The reason God cannot lie is that scripture tells us in other places that God is completely truthful. For him to lie would make Him less than God. It is an aspect of His character. The reason He included it in the 10 commandments is because it is an attribute He wants us to emmulate.

God also put rules in there about not worhsipping other Gods. That is not an issue for God. He is not subject to that prohibition, because He worships no one.

My parents had all kinds of rules for me as I grew up. They did not keep all of them (i.e. they did not have a curfew). That did not make them any less my parents, or hypocrites. The rules they laid down were rules that made it possible for me to mature an be the kind of son they wanted me to be. Some of the rules were based on their character, other rules were based on my age and limitations. The ones that were based on their character they kept because of who they were. The ones based on my age and limitations they had no need to keep (like curfew)

Regarding #2 above, does the following quote trouble people when they read it? It says, "all" that is asked for will be granted. This doesn't happen.

"Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours". (Mark 11:24-25 NAB)

[EricH]

Why would God need to be subject to the 10 commandments?

Because then he could lie.

There are two different issues here. They are:

1. Are the 10 commandments binding on God? The answer to that one is no. The 10 commandments were given by God to humans so that they could live in a covenental relationship with Him.

2. Can God lie? The answer is no. And it is not because the command not to lie is in the 10 commandments. The reason God cannot lie is that scripture tells us in other places that God is completely truthful. For him to lie would make Him less than God. It is an aspect of His character. The reason He included it in the 10 commandments is because it is an attribute He wants us to emmulate.

God also put rules in there about not worhsipping other Gods. That is not an issue for God. He is not subject to that prohibition, because He worships no one.

My parents had all kinds of rules for me as I grew up. They did not keep all of them (i.e. they did not have a curfew). That did not make them any less my parents, or hypocrites. The rules they laid down were rules that made it possible for me to mature an be the kind of son they wanted me to be. Some of the rules were based on their character, other rules were based on my age and limitations. The ones that were based on their character they kept because of who they were. The ones based on my age and limitations they had no need to keep (like curfew)

Regarding #2 above, does the following quote trouble people when they read it? It says, "all" that is asked for will be granted. This doesn't happen.

"Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours". (Mark 11:24-25 NAB)

Where does it say that?

[sylvan3]

Why would God need to be subject to the 10 commandments?

Because then he could lie.

There are two different issues here. They are:

1. Are the 10 commandments binding on God? The answer to that one is no. The 10 commandments were given by God to humans so that they could live in a covenental relationship with Him.

2. Can God lie? The answer is no. And it is not because the command not to lie is in the 10 commandments. The reason God cannot lie is that scripture tells us in other places that God is completely truthful. For him to lie would make Him less than God. It is an aspect of His character. The reason He included it in the 10 commandments is because it is an attribute He wants us to emmulate.

God also put rules in there about not worhsipping other Gods. That is not an issue for God. He is not subject to that prohibition, because He worships no one.

My parents had all kinds of rules for me as I grew up. They did not keep all of them (i.e. they did not have a curfew). That did not make them any less my parents, or hypocrites. The rules they laid down were rules that made it possible for me to mature an be the kind of son they wanted me to be. Some of the rules were based on their character, other rules were based on my age and limitations. The ones that were based on their character they kept because of who they were. The ones based on my age and limitations they had no need to keep (like curfew)

Regarding #2 above, does the following quote trouble people when they read it? It says, "all" that is asked for will be granted. This doesn't happen.

"Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours". (Mark 11:24-25 NAB)

Where does it say that?

Mark 11:24-25 NAB

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

The Commandments aren't for God, they are for you.

They are a measure of Gods Righteousness and only He can live up to them.

How about you?

Can you measure up to the Righteousness of God?

Peace,

Dave

[EricH]

Why would God need to be subject to the 10 commandments?

Because then he could lie.

There are two different issues here. They are:

1. Are the 10 commandments binding on God? The answer to that one is no. The 10 commandments were given by God to humans so that they could live in a covenental relationship with Him.

2. Can God lie? The answer is no. And it is not because the command not to lie is in the 10 commandments. The reason God cannot lie is that scripture tells us in other places that God is completely truthful. For him to lie would make Him less than God. It is an aspect of His character. The reason He included it in the 10 commandments is because it is an attribute He wants us to emmulate.

God also put rules in there about not worhsipping other Gods. That is not an issue for God. He is not subject to that prohibition, because He worships no one.

My parents had all kinds of rules for me as I grew up. They did not keep all of them (i.e. they did not have a curfew). That did not make them any less my parents, or hypocrites. The rules they laid down were rules that made it possible for me to mature an be the kind of son they wanted me to be. Some of the rules were based on their character, other rules were based on my age and limitations. The ones that were based on their character they kept because of who they were. The ones based on my age and limitations they had no need to keep (like curfew)

Regarding #2 above, does the following quote trouble people when they read it? It says, "all" that is asked for will be granted. This doesn't happen.

"Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours". (Mark 11:24-25 NAB)

Where does it say that?

Mark 11:24-25 NAB

In order to understand that passage correctly, you would need to correlate it wih all of Jesus' other statements regarding answered prayer (for example see Matthew 6:10) and other places where it says we must pray according to His name (or character). Single passages do not a correct understanding make

[sylvan3]

Grace to you,

The Commandments aren't for God, they are for you.

They are a measure of Gods Righteousness and only He can live up to them.

How about you?

Can you measure up to the Righteousness of God?

Peace,

Dave

First of all, I don't know that he does live up to those standards. He has to kill his own creations. He is perfect but has to do that?

I am certainly aware of my own limitations as a human being. One of those many limitations is understanding the God that is written in the Bible. He is an imcomprehensible character.

My question to you: Do you read the Bible objectively or from the slant that you had "better believe it" or you will burn in hell?

[dakota190]

Sylvan3,

IF you would go and read your bible, (you do have a bible, don't you?) you would see, the cities, countries that God instructed the Israelites to destroy, right down to the animals and all of the people, including children. were the countries and cities of people that worshipped idols, they were people that ignored God and his laws, at one time he allowed them to go their way and worship how they wanted. he grew tired of waiting and he instructed the Israelites, whom he gave the land to, to utterly destroy the inhabitants, and if Israel didn't they were held accountable for disobeying God. God, does not need instructions in morality from man, he gave the Jews the 10 commandments, to show, what right and wrong was, that we could not live up to the law, indicating to man, a need for a final sacrifice. that sacrifice was the blood of Jesus, on the cross.

i would not even hint, at God violating his own laws. that is dangerously close to blasphemy. to call God a murderer, is a lack of knowledge. a lack of knowledge of the scripture and of the nature of God. if God destroyed someone outright, as he opened up the earth and caused numerous Israelites to fall into the bowels of the earth, in the wilderness, it was rightous anger. he had the right. when Moses brought the 10 commandments down off the mountain and the Jewish people had made for themselves a golden calf to worship, in rebellion. it was in his rightous anger.

God does wish for one person to perish, but be careful in your rebellion and your speech. God will not be mocked.

also remember, that if a person continue to live in sin, God will eventually give them over to their sins. he will withdraw his hand of protection from them, after which a person becomes fair game for the enemy. look into the book of Job. God does not have to murder, he need only give his permission to satan, and their life gets real bad, real fast.

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

I want to also give you an example of why you misunderstand the Righteousness of God.

There is a story by C.S. Lewis and the premise is that as he reasoned about Christianity with the spirit of the age. Who had imprisoned his mind and held him in bondage daily.

He was daily released to enjoy his morning breakfast and various meals. As he was dining one morning he began to comment on the eggs and how wonderful they were. How nourishing. When the ghoulish prison gurad who had brought them in made the comment that he only knew them this way because he called them eggs. However they were really the dead embyro's of a chicken. Stating some other foul putrid things and imprisoning his mind further. Then he began to comment on how cold and fresh the milk was. When the waiter smiled a devilish grin and made the comment . That what he saw as Milk was really just the excretions of a cow no different than it's urine.

He was at this point about to go quite mad.

When he relates that reason came riding in on a White Horse and scopped him up in His arms. Thus saving him from this madness. As reason came in it replied to the waiter/guard and the spirit of the age.

"You lie, You lie because you do not distinguish that which God has made for nourishment and the general Good of mankind and that which God has designated as waste."

It was then that reason became this man in the stories rational. He was thus Saved from the spirit of the age and his twisted lies and madness.

Your problem is that the spirit of the age has been lying to you. You can't delineate between your own madness and the lie and that which is Good. Which God has Created and set down for the general welfare of mankind.

The Commandments are a set of Rules delineating Gods own Righteousness. This is so that you personally can see how far removed you are from Him.

However not knowing which way is up. You have set about to Judge God rather than to take a look at yourself and the Bondage you are Serving.

Peace,

Dave

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

My question to you: Do you read the Bible objectively or from the slant that you had "better believe it" or you will burn in hell?

No, not at all. That is a consequence of my sin. I read the Bible with this in Mind. God is Merciful in that His Love has known no bounds. He left behind His robes of Majesty counteing them as nothing. So that He could take on my form. The form of His own Creation and Save me. He saw that I was a Jewel of Great price and He sold all that he had to posess me. He had to have me. For the life of me I don't know why. I'm not worth it. However this makes me Love Him all the more.

No, my friend as I said you misunderstand the Righteouness and Love of God for you have been lied to, cheated, and stolen from. I read the Bible as an expression of Gods undying Love towards me personally. He simply couldn't live without me and you too for that matter. That's what really is killing you, isn't it? Your sick with His Love although in a feverish sort or rejecting it jealous way.

Your point is that God is not Just. However who are you to Judge Oh' man? Do you believe that when God chooses to allow thousands of deaths in an airline crash that He is unjust?

Peace,

Dave

[SoulGrind]

Well, obviously, many of the things in the decalogue would be off-limits for him.

Commandment 1 is off-limits, as He is God, so he can't have any other God.

Commandment 2 is likewise, as he is God, and would not worship any idol.

Commandment 3 is also likewise. What would he say? "Oh my Me!"

Commandment 4 is hazy, as he is both the God of Christianity and Judaism, so he has two Sabbaths?

Commandment 5 is off-limits; He has no parents.

Commanmdent 6 He does not follow. he murders people by the thousands in the Bible.

Commandment 7 is off-limits. He does not adulterate, as He has no need to.

Commandment 8 God has no need to steal, as he could work some Godly magic and make whatever He needs.

Commandment 9 is a curiosity. Can God lie? I don't know.

Commandment 10 God has no need to follow. He is above everything else.

Question for you regarding Commandment 6...

Does God "murder" or is he excercising "justice" against the wicked and deceitful, which is what God has said he would do all along?

As for Commandment 9 - if God plays by his own rules (laws), including being "just" with the lives he has taken, then it would presuppose that God does not lie.