firehill Posted July 19, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,980 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/17/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted July 19, 2006 In the Greek and the entire Bible, a wife is never admonished to obey her husband but rather to submit though slaves were admonished to obey thier masters. Ephesians 5:22 and Colossians 3:18 speaking of wives submitting to husbands, 1 Peter 2:13 speaking of Christians submitting to the laws of man, and James 4:7 speaking of sinning Christians submitting to God all use the following word: hupotasso: to subordinate; refl. to obey:--- be under obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, be in subjection, submit self unto. "In fact, the use of that word in verse 21("be subject to one another") clearly demonstrates that it does not mean obedient, for it would be impossible for a group to follow each other." What Paul Really Said About Women, John Temple Bristow, p.38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatingaxe Posted July 19, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted July 19, 2006 In the Greek and the entire Bible, a wife is never admonished to obey her husband but rather to submit though slaves were admonished to obey thier masters. Ephesians 5:22 and Colossians 3:18 speaking of wives submitting to husbands, 1 Peter 2:13 speaking of Christians submitting to the laws of man, and James 4:7 speaking of sinning Christians submitting to God all use the following word: hupotasso: to subordinate; refl. to obey:--- be under obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, be in subjection, submit self unto. "In fact, the use of that word in verse 21("be subject to one another") clearly demonstrates that it does not mean obedient, for it would be impossible for a group to follow each other." What Paul Really Said About Women, John Temple Bristow, p.38 Amen, sister! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firehill Posted July 19, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,980 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/17/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted July 19, 2006 It is written that an "Overseer", a "Deacon" or an "Elder", must be the Husband of one Wife. How can a woman be the husband of one wife...????? Am I to understand that there are women who disrespect the teachings of Paul as Truth...?? Regards, Ben. Do you mean like the woman Phoebe, a deacon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firehill Posted July 19, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,980 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/17/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted July 19, 2006 In the Greek and the entire Bible, a wife is never admonished to obey her husband but rather to submit though slaves were admonished to obey thier masters. Ephesians 5:22 and Colossians 3:18 speaking of wives submitting to husbands, 1 Peter 2:13 speaking of Christians submitting to the laws of man, and James 4:7 speaking of sinning Christians submitting to God all use the following word: hupotasso: to subordinate; refl. to obey:--- be under obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, be in subjection, submit self unto. "In fact, the use of that word in verse 21("be subject to one another") clearly demonstrates that it does not mean obedient, for it would be impossible for a group to follow each other." What Paul Really Said About Women, John Temple Bristow, p.38 Amen, sister! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabowd Posted July 19, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 112 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,489 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 13 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted July 19, 2006 ...but her obedience to him doesn't hinge on his obedience to the Lord. That's why I say we should each focus on our own roles and our own responsibility to obey...instead of trying to use someone else's disobedience (or potential for it) as an excuse for our own disobedience. In the Greek and the entire Bible, a wife is never admonished to obey her husband but rather to submit though slaves were admonished to obey thier masters. 1. Could you provide proof for this statement (in bold)? 2. Do you read, speak and write Koine Greek? Or are you referring to a lexicon or concordance? 3. What is your interpretation of 1 Peter 3:1? 4. What is your definition of "subjection" and/or "submit"? And where did you get your definition? 5. How does obedience differ from subjection (if it does)? http://www.christian-thinktank.com/not2obey.html did/does God order wives to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firehill Posted July 19, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,980 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/17/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted July 19, 2006 ...but her obedience to him doesn't hinge on his obedience to the Lord. That's why I say we should each focus on our own roles and our own responsibility to obey...instead of trying to use someone else's disobedience (or potential for it) as an excuse for our own disobedience. In the Greek and the entire Bible, a wife is never admonished to obey her husband but rather to submit though slaves were admonished to obey thier masters. 1. Could you provide proof for this statement (in bold)? 2. Do you read, speak and write Koine Greek? Or are you referring to a lexicon or concordance? 3. What is your interpretation of 1 Peter 3:1? 4. What is your definition of "subjection" and/or "submit"? And where did you get your definition? 5. How does obedience differ from subjection (if it does)? http://www.christian-thinktank.com/not2obey.html did/does God order wives to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firehill Posted July 19, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,980 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/17/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted July 19, 2006 this place is not the Church The christian church is absolutely not a 'place' but rather the body of believers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarletprayers Posted July 19, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 135 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,537 Content Per Day: 1.08 Reputation: 157 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/06/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/29/1956 Share Posted July 19, 2006 this place is not the Church The christian church is absolutely not a 'place' but rather the body of believers. Yes I am aware of that, please don't start with the sarcasam. But we do not come together as a "body" of believers here at Worthy. This is a place to come together to chat, debate, learn, lecture and by so many of the post you read, evidently to insult other people who don't agree with everything we say. As for your article you can find just as many knowledgeable and learned writers disagreeing with what yours says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firehill Posted July 19, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,980 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/17/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted July 19, 2006 this place is not the Church The christian church is absolutely not a 'place' but rather the body of believers. Yes I am aware of that, please don't start with the sarcasam. But we do not come together as a "body" of believers here at Worthy. This is a place to come together to chat, debate, learn, lecture and by so many of the post you read, evidently to insult other people who don't agree with everything we say. As for your article you can find just as many knowledgeable and learned writers disagreeing with what yours says. Sarcasam? I was agreeing with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarletprayers Posted July 19, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 135 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,537 Content Per Day: 1.08 Reputation: 157 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/06/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/29/1956 Share Posted July 19, 2006 this place is not the Church The christian church is absolutely not a 'place' but rather the body of believers. Yes I am aware of that, please don't start with the sarcasm. But we do not come together as a "body" of believers here at Worthy. This is a place to come together to chat, debate, learn, lecture and by so many of the post you read, evidently to insult other people who don't agree with everything we say. As for your article you can find just as many knowledgeable and learned writers disagreeing with what yours says. Sarcasm? I was agreeing with you. Oops..............my bad! Will you accept my apology, I'm afraid I took your response differently than you intended. Bad day, and seem to be bringing it with me to Worthy! I am very sorry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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