Women in the Church today

[Guest CreatedtoPraise]

I wanted to reply to the Adam and Eve reference- which said that Eve was the one who was decieved, that is true but let us examine more throughly. Adam was given the instruction of what was to be done and not to be done in the garden and had Adam been standing in his rightful place the issue of Eve being decieved would not be discussed. Even though Eve was decieved what was Adams excuse. When God came looking for them he did not call out for Eve he call for Adam. Issue of woman leading in the church is it right or wrong would strictly be up to the Holy Ghost, God can use who and whatever he chooses. I am all about scripture and yes a woman are to be subject to her husband, but that does not mean that I am not used by God. There is alot of mens opinion being interwined with the word of God. Let us not forget that the real purpose here is that souls are saved (Salvation). Whether you believe women should lead or not is secondary to the plan of God. (Salvation). Let us move our minds from ourselves and onto God's plan and be as Jesus was about his Father's business.

Thank you

[LightofJesus]

I just feel it is important to observe the direct meaning of scripture as best we can.

Yes to be more direct with you, the Bible never says that only a man can be a pastor. And this fact cannot be refuted because the Bible simply never says it. You may interpret what the Bible does say as you wish but that is another matter.

It quite directly says 1) that Phoebe was a deacon and 2) that a deacon must 'be faithful to his wife.' The Bible does not contradict itself either.

Yes, it certainly does infer that and quite strongly. How can a woman be silent and preach? How can a woman preach and have authority when the Bible teaches only male authority in church? You are in denial.

sw

You are reponding with your opinion still. Quote the scriptures please and then address them. Where does the Bible teach 'only male authority in church'? Again, this is all your interpretation, opinion. I'm in denial? You don't want to hear the truth.

I gave you specific verses from the Word of God. If you don't believe the Bible is true then we are wasting our time. Further the church denied women pastors for 2000 years. If the Word of God and 2000 years of church history mean nothing to you then perhaps you should reconsider just what authority you are submitting to.

sw

'Further the church denied women pastors for 2000 years.' I've already responded to this. Have you kept up with all that has been posted on this board or not? The Bible is the final authority on all matters, not church history.

Another red herring. No one questions the authority of Scripture in this thread except those advocating women pastors. Further while church history is not the final authority, any practice that is consistantly applied for 2000 years in both Catholicism and Protestantism is hardly irrelevent.

sw

Does anyone really dig when they study the Word. Do you all have a concordance? you have to find out what some words mean in the Greek or Hebrew when you study, our English language does not cover it. Please study your history before you start telling God His job. He will use whoever He wants and whenever He wants and wherever He wants. If he wants to use me as a speaker somewhere I am certainly not going to tell Him sorry God I can't I'm a girl. God does not look at our gender He looks for a willing HEART. Stop grumbling over such trivial things and let's get busy and win some souls cause that is what it is all about, RIGHT?

In Love

[Floatingaxe]

Amen sisters! The Holy Spirit doesn't "passover" when dealing our gifts when there is an absence of genital appendage, does He? He pours out upon all flesh.

Praise God my God loves me and has gifted me and many sisters into His service in all areas!

I wonder what would happen in a church that is made up of all women--who would be the pastor? I believe that is entirely possible today, as it has historically been the women who do all the work, until the male steps up to bat! Churches have noticeably been populated by faithful females over many generations.

[Ovedya]

Wow. I don't think I've seen such a liberal feminist attitude in a Christian in a very long time. Being a male involves a lot more than an "appendage." It really bothers me that apparently you think a man is nothing more than a female with an "extra part." Forgive me if that's assuming, but that's really what you just made it sound like to me "floatingaxe."

[Floatingaxe]

Wow. I don't think I've seen such a liberal feminist attitude in a Christian in a very long time. Being a male involves a lot more than an "appendage." It really bothers me that apparently you think a man is nothing more than a female with an "extra part." Forgive me if that's assuming, but that's really what you just made it sound like to me "floatingaxe."

I forgive you!

[firehill]

Thank you for making it clear where you and 'we' whoever they are see context change taking place.

The context change occures at verse 11 of Chapter 2, that is where the unit of authority of the church begins. Note:

A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. 1 Timothy 2:11

This deals with prior context and future context, thus a transitionary verse...where the unit on authority begins.

But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 1 Timothy 2:12

This is a complete change from verses 9-10, which shows that the context has changed completely. It is now dealing with authority and not a worship service. The scripture then goes on, in chapter three, to discuss how overseers/bishops/pastors are men seeking the office, not women. Before you jump in and refer to the deacon argument, look to chapter 3, verse 11 that refers to the qualifications of women as deacons.....we do not see this when it comes to authority.

Nonetheless you've only provided where you and 'we' whoever they are see context change. BTW, that Paul is refering to 'the qualifications of women as deacons' is also disputed since he could be refering to deacons wives, or even women serving as elders.

[Ovedya]

Nevertheless:

1) God is still a man.

2) The Bible is plainly clear regarding the role of women in the church: They are not permitted to teach.

Praise The Lord that the orthodoxy of the church has never depended on a small group of individuals with contrary minds.

[Floatingaxe]

Delusion! Plain and simple!

[Ovedya]

Delusion! Plain and simple!

Right.

You know better.

I'm sure.

[firehill]

Nevertheless:

1) God is still a man.

2) The Bible is plainly clear regarding the role of women in the church: They are not permitted to teach.

Praise The Lord that the orthodoxy of the church has never depended on a small group of individuals with contrary minds.

God is not a man but such is a pagan belief that he is!