Women in the Church today

[apothanein kerdos]

AK--take some of your own advice. This is not rhetoric. There are actually other scholars out there who have a different opinion than yourself, based upon scripture. I thank my God for them.

1) how have I used rhetoric?

2) How have I not used facts? In fact, you ignored everything I said and continued with rhetoric

3) These other scholars more often then not also deny the infalability of the bible as well, woo hoo, go them!

4) Your God? As if He belongs to you, He is your pet, your magic genie to follow your every command and bow down to whatever you say?

[Floatingaxe]

Of course the restraint was a temporary thing--do you think that the problem they were experiencing lasted forever? When implemented, Paul's order to them satisfied the need. Then I am sure they got on with the normal running of things...those women at Ephesus were a mouthy bunch!

[Floatingaxe]

AK--take some of your own advice. This is not rhetoric. There are actually other scholars out there who have a different opinion than yourself, based upon scripture. I thank my God for them.

1) how have I used rhetoric?

2) How have I not used facts? In fact, you ignored everything I said and continued with rhetoric

3) These other scholars more often then not also deny the infalability of the bible as well, woo hoo, go them!

4) Your God? As if He belongs to you, He is your pet, your magic genie to follow your every command and bow down to whatever you say?

Now you are just being nasty. Unchristlike, even.

[apothanein kerdos]

Of course the restraint was a temporary thing--do you think that the problem they were experiencing lasted forever? When implemented, Paul's order to them satisfied the need. Then I am sure they got on with the normal running of things...those women at Ephesus were a mouthy bunch!

Where does it show this in scripture though? Where does it even indicate that it was in response to a problem that wouldn't be eternal? I guess Paul's declaration about sexual immorality in 1 Corinthians was likewise temporary? I only ask because the sexual immorality was associated with pagan practices, therefore since in our modern time it is no longer associated with pagan practices I'm assuming that it would be okay for us to engage in sexual immorality.

Now, before you come back with one of your assinine comments of "now you're just crazy" and ignore the argument, you need to respond to this. I'm taking your application, your hermeneutical model, and applying it to a different portion of scripture. You either need to explain why this portion doesn't apply to your model or admit that your model is inadequate.

Now you are just being nasty. Unchristlike, even.

*Does the rhetoric ad hominem tango*

Regardless, you said "my God." He's not *your* God, He doesn't belong to you, you belong to Him.

[Floatingaxe]

Give me a break, man---you must really like me!

Psalm 18:2...The LORD is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer; my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge. He is my shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold.

Psalm 25:2...in you I trust, O my God. Do not let me be put to shame, nor let my enemies triumph over me.

Psalm 30:2...O LORD my God, I called to you for help and you healed me.

There are COUNTLESS scriptures where God is called "My God"! He is MY GOD and He wants me to call Him MY GOD!

Blessings

[apothanein kerdos]

Give me a break, man---you must really like me!

Psalm 18:2...The LORD is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer; my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge. He is my shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold.

Psalm 25:2...in you I trust, O my God. Do not let me be put to shame, nor let my enemies triumph over me.

Psalm 30:2...O LORD my God, I called to you for help and you healed me.

There are COUNTLESS scriptures where God is called "My God"! He is MY GOD and He wants me to call Him MY GOD!

Blessings

Maybe scripture just isn't your thing.....

All of these are refering to the characteristics of God and how they apply to the person. In other words, it is in reference to "my master" more than someone to thank. "I thank my God"....why? Because He provided what you wanted?

Anytime we see "my God" used in scripture, it is in a subservient role crying out for help or declaring Him as surpreme....not as some wish giver that gives us "scholars" to help twist His Word into whatever we want it to be.

[firehill]

Shepherd or Pastor (4166, Greek poimeen)

There are 17 places in the NT where this Greek word is used. It is translated

[apothanein kerdos]

Shepherd or Pastor (4166, Greek poimeen)

There are 17 places in the NT where this Greek word is used. It is translated

[apothanein kerdos]

AK--take some of your own advice. This is not rhetoric. There are actually other scholars out there who have a different opinion than yourself, based upon scripture. I thank my God for them.

Don't worry about it Floatingaxe. "There is none so blind as him who will not see"

As you say there are actually tons of scholars and scolarly writings about this subject out there waiting for any who will read. Those who like inordinate privileges are not likely to give them up just because they shouldn't have them.

*continues with the rhetoric ad hominem tango*

*gives the "I can't really refute anything that wasn't in the article I published so I'm just going to attack the people and accuse them of only supporting their position because they have some hidden agende" cheer*

[Floatingaxe]

Give me a break, man---you must really like me!

Psalm 18:2...The LORD is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer; my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge. He is my shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold.

Psalm 25:2...in you I trust, O my God. Do not let me be put to shame, nor let my enemies triumph over me.

Psalm 30:2...O LORD my God, I called to you for help and you healed me.

There are COUNTLESS scriptures where God is called "My God"! He is MY GOD and He wants me to call Him MY GOD!

Blessings

Maybe scripture just isn't your thing.....

All of these are refering to the characteristics of God and how they apply to the person. In other words, it is in reference to "my master" more than someone to thank. "I thank my God"....why? Because He provided what you wanted?

Anytime we see "my God" used in scripture, it is in a subservient role crying out for help or declaring Him as surpreme....not as some wish giver that gives us "scholars" to help twist His Word into whatever we want it to be.

Excuse me? I choose who teaches me.