Worthy News: Bush Vetoes Stem Cell Bill As Promised - ABC News

[anti-hillbilly]

I've already signed petitions to my representatives and the president. Let me ask you something, brother. Are you asking because you care about these precious babies, or because you're trying to prove yourself right?

You've asked your representatives and president to outlaw invitro fertilization? Or just embryonic stem-cell research?

I care; I've watched my own child suffer in pain. I've watched my own child cry and sob and ask, "Why me?" So I get a little irrate when I hear somebody compare a non-suffering dot to my child; it stoopid and incredibly insulting!

My body disposes of an ovum every month; biologically that too is life...a living cell with the potential to become a human under the right circumstances. BUT I know it isn't human yet nor is it equilivent to my suffering child; neither are these microscopic embryos (these republican politicians KNOW it too). No brain, no organs, no nerve endings; no limbs, no pain, no awareness; not human yet. It's pure stupidity not to use them in a effort to do some good. They may not ever find cures for these disease but we've got to try. Science has definitely prolonged people's lives by about 30 years during this last century plus they've discovered things like invitro and insulin and flu shots, polio vaccines. If people didn't pursue those therapies we'd still be dying by the thousands before reaching the age of 40. -- I read somewhere there's a couple hundred thousand zygotes already frozen and that's small compared to the number that been disposed of. They can't freeze them all and even if they could not all would ever develop. Even on the natural order of things, getting pregnant the old fashioned way, many spontaneously abort (miscarriage) on their own.

BTW - I'd advise all of you to be careful about relying on any information you get from Focus on the Family. Be sure and independently verify what he says before repeating it. I've been on James Dobson's mailing and calling list for many years and he isn't honest. He gives false information and he leaves out important information in order to get people to agree with his opinion on things. He does not speak for God, he speaks for himself. I've lost all respect for the man over the years.

[edit; adding this] This article says 400,000; double the 200,000 I thought.:

Right Wing Should Adopt 400,000 Embryos [link]

Edited July 23, 2006 by anti-hillbilly

[nebula]

What do you not understand about the FACT that almost ALL of the left-overs are destroyed.....everyday? What do you not understand about the glaring hypocrisy.

I'm not in favor of that, either.

Just wondering, have you campaigned against it?

I care; I've watched my own child suffer in pain. I've watched my own child cry and sob and ask, "Why me?" So I get a little irrate when I hear somebody compare a non-suffering dot to my child; it stoopid and incredibly insulting!

I have rheumatoid arthritis, so I can appreciate your cry in this.

As much as I want to be free of this disease, though, I wouldn't want life destroyed in order to find a cure to my suffering. I am one of those that believes life begins at conception. The thought of thousands of embryos created with no plan to let them live grieves my heart to pieces.

Should I condemn Bush, though? I'm just glad he decided to draw a line in the sand somewhere.

First it was abortion, now it is frozen embryos. What will be next?

That thought terrifies me.

[tah]

I have rheumatoid arthritis, so I can appreciate your cry in this.

As much as I want to be free of this disease, though, I wouldn't want life destroyed in order to find a cure to my suffering. I am one of those that believes life begins at conception. The thought of thousands of embryos created with no plan to let them live grieves my heart to pieces.

Should I condemn Bush, though? I'm just glad he decided to draw a line in the sand somewhere.

First it was abortion, now it is frozen embryos. What will be next?

That thought terrifies me.

I am with you nebula...

Yes indeed, what next..it is a downward spiral ....

we could ask the old nazi doctors what will be next...they may know...they did horrific things to humans for scientific purposes...

Who knows, perhaps there are some who are already using humans for their experiments...

[nebula]

2,000,000 wanting to adopt? Wow!

Wouldn't be a problem, would it, if the word would just get out to these people that they can do this!

[billie]

Amen, Butero.

[anti-hillbilly]

I'm not in favor of that, either.

Just wondering, have you campaigned against it?

I've campaigned FOR embryonic research. I'm campaigning against the hypocrisy of the far-right position on the issue.

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Right Wing Should Adopt 400,000 Embryos

This is actually a very good idea. George Bush, Jerry Falwell, James Dobson, and Pat Robertson could set the example by pledging to PERSONALLY fund the storage, maintenance, and all associated fees for say 50,000 petri dish cells each. The remaining cells would be adopted by out by those strongly opposed to research. I'm sure in this forum alone there would be quite a few people wiling to step up to the plate and do what they feel is right. Problem solved for the Right Wing.

Thanks for sharing the link, Anti-Hillbilly.

You're welcome.

I think those who oppose the research now will embrace the cures for it if and when they're ever found; especially if it involves curing one of their children from something like lukemia or juvenile diabetes. Why would you watch that child suffer if it didn't have to be that way; why would you want to suffer yourself if you didn't have to.

[billie]

Because I could never kill a child to save my child or myself.

[anti-hillbilly]

As for this Rev. Simpson character, he is full of bull as is everyone else that makes similar unsubstantiated claims. There is not one piece of evidence that shows there will ever be a single cure resulting from embryonic stem cell research. In addition, there is not one shred of evidence that even if a cure were found through this research, it couldn't have just as easily come from adult stem cells. This is nothing but rhetoric and should not be taken seriously.

Butero; I've given you some scientific sites to check out (and there's plenty more you could get on your own) but you just keep repeating biased, unscientific bull of your own. Repeating it over and over isn't gonna make your position true. You're just flat out wrong and I think deep down you know it but you're too stubborn to ever admit it or let something like FACTS get in the way. Research is called research for a reason; if there wasn't potential in this research there'd be no issue to even talk about.

It's pretty pathethic when people are in favor of medical techniques that keep a corpse warm for several decades but don't want to pursue it when it might actually make someone well. I bet if embryonic stem-cell research could have healed Mrs. Shiavo none of you would have supported that at all.

[anti-hillbilly]

Because I could never kill a child to save my child or myself.

Neither would I; these aren't children.

[anti-hillbilly]

Because I could never kill a child to save my child or myself.

Amen sister. That is something the left doesn't understand either. There are still some people of principle in this country.

I've read enough of your posts to safely say that my principles are far above yours Butero.