The Millenium Temple

[nebula]

I am thinking that Horizoneast is an "ammillenialist." I don't know if that has anything to do with his reluctance to answer my questions.

[Guest shiloh357]

Are you an amillennialist, Horizon?? I don't need to define it. Just answer the question, no need for evasive answers like "I am a Christian." It is a simple enough question. There are several positions out there. Preterist, Amillennialist, Covenant Amillennialist, Postmillennialist, Covenant Premillennialist. You can pick one and tell us where you fit. It would help to know this, so we can see where you are coming from.

[Guest shiloh357]

Are you an amillennialist, Horizon?? I don't need to define it. Just answer the question, no need for evasive answers like "I am a Christian." It is a simple enough question. There are several positions out there. Preterist, Amillennialist, Covenant Amillennialist, Postmillennialist, Covenant Premillennialist. You can pick one and tell us where you fit. It would help to know this, so we can see where you are coming from.

The answer is "no" to all of the above brother. The terms you list are all man-made terms and mean many things to many people - they are not at all biblical terms but they are all divisive to the body of Christ (not good). I am familiar with each term and have found both truth and error in each one (limited of course by my understand of each term) I prefer to rely on scripture only whenever possible.

That's funny, cause all you offer are man-made answers from commentaires and such when asked for Scriptural support.

[refugepsa91]

Horizoneast -

I would still like to hear your explanation of Zechariah 12, paritcularly the highlighted portion.

It appears that they come to faith in Yeshua after He saves them in Jerusalem from attack by the surrounding nations, not the other way around.

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1 The burden of the word of the Lord against Israel. Thus says the Lord, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: 2 "Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples, when they lay siege against Judah and Jerusalem. 3 And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it. 4 In that day," says the Lord, "I will strike every horse with confusion, and its rider with madness; I will open My eyes on the house of Judah, and will strike every horse of the peoples with blindness. 5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, 'The inhabitants of Jerusalem are my strength in the Lord of hosts, their God.' 6 In that day I will make the governors of Judah like a firepan in the woodpile, and like a fiery torch in the sheaves; they shall devour all the surrounding peoples on the right hand and on the left, but Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place--Jerusalem. 7 "The Lord will save the tents of Judah first, so that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem shall not become greater than that of Judah. 8 In that day the Lord will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; the one who is feeble among them in that day shall be like David, and the house of David shall be like God, like the Angel of the Lord before them.

9 It shall be in that day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. 10 "And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. 11 In that day there shall be a great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning at Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Megiddo.* 12 And the land shall mourn, every family by itself: the family of the house of David by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself, and their wives by themselves; 13 the family of the house of Levi by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of Shimei by itself, and their wives by themselves; 14 all the families that remain, every family by itself, and their wives by themselves

Heres the original post/question.

[Guest shiloh357]

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shiloh

This has not happened yet in its entirety, if we are honest Israel has not been delivered from those that hate her, and Israel as a secular nation is not serving the Lord in holiness and righteousness. This will happen in the future and according to the Holy Spirit it will be done in accordance to the mercy promised to their fathers (through the prophets) and the covenant sworn to Abraham. This is not a spiritual prophecy. It is prophecy of a physical deliverance, and a physical reign by the Messiah. Coupled with the words of the Angel (who was speaking the words of God) we see that they are referring to the same thing.

By His resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ now (today) reigns on David

[Avodah]

So when are you going to Nebula's Question, Horizon?

As soon as you provide all of the promised NT "corroborative texts" you claimed to have but can't seem to locate. Remember Shiloh this is your thread

[Avodah]

Well I guess since your board name is of Hebrew origin and your signature phrase plays into kabbalistic lore (libation ritual)

What? kabbalistic? The phrase means "I am my Beloved's and my Beloved is mine." That is biblical.

I apologize if I have misrepresented your views but I am at the disadvantage

[Guest shiloh357]

Are you again judging the hearts of men? We discussed this topic before. Are you sure all the

[Guest shiloh357]

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Shiloh

I did not say all, but most, and I can provide the evidence. Secondly I am not judging them. Their own words condemn them

How many of them were Jew-hating reprobates

[Guest shiloh357]

The fact is, much of what is written about Israel in Orthodox Chrisian writings is based upon a hold over from the early Church's contempt for the Jews, and the assumption made by the "Fathers" that Israel had been judged by God in 70 AD. This amounts to reading the Bible into an historical event.

Orthodox Christianity has rejected the Jews as a nation and has relegated Israel to the dustbin of history never to be heard from again. This is based upon assumptions and conjecture and not based upon any clear statement from the Bible to that effect.

The Bible says that Israel will NEVER cease being God's nation (Jer. 31:35-36). The Bible says that God's covenant with Abraham is an eternal covenant, and that his covenant with David is likewise as eternal and unbreakable. The Church has sought every means to allegorize the Israel out of the prophetic plans of God, but it simply does not work.

It is clear from the Scriptures that God has an end time plan for Israel, and it is going to be glorious.