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So Jesus lied to them??? Come on! The text tells us they were 'offended at His Words,' because they understood them to be conveying real ideas. Jesus ran lots of folks off because they were offended at the truth He told but never because they were offended by the lies He told......... The hermeneutical gymnastics (not to say 'contortions') required by the detractors of Real Presence to reinterpret John 6 are probably the best proof of all that Jesus meant exactly what He said!

What are hermeneutical gymnastics? :noidea:

Lol and first of all, can I ask where you stand, are you for believing that the bread and wine become Body and Blood or do you believe that it's a joke and contradiction? Sorry, I'm having one of those slow sort of days :24::blink:

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Remembrance = memorial, commemoration.

Sorry, you get a D- MUCH MORE STUDY REQUIRED! Pick up any good lexicon and find 'anemnesis'........

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So Jesus lied to them??? Come on! The text tells us they were 'offended at His Words,' because they understood them to be conveying real ideas. Jesus ran lots of folks off because they were offended at the truth He told but never because they were offended by the lies He told......... The hermeneutical gymnastics (not to say 'contortions') required by the detractors of Real Presence to reinterpret John 6 are probably the best proof of all that Jesus meant exactly what He said!

What are hermeneutical gymnastics? :noidea:

Lol and first of all, can I ask where you stand, are you for believing that the bread and wine become Body and Blood or do you believe that it's a joke and contradiction? Sorry, I'm having one of those slow sort of days :24::blink:

I believe Jesus Christ becomes truly and uniquely present in the Eucharist.

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Remembrance = memorial, commemoration.

Sorry, you get a D- MUCH MORE STUDY REQUIRED! Pick up any good lexicon and find 'anemnesis'........

I took it from that root, Leonard..why don't you enlighten us all? Even a moron could understand it.

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Well, much as I hate doing someone else's homework ( :) ), I'll just say 'anemnesis' means much more than just 'remember'. It is as the Jews celebrate Passover, they believe they are participating in the event. Even so, the Eucharist. It is more than just remembering the past, and waxing maudlin. It is to become a participant.

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Well, much as I hate doing someone else's homework ( :emot-puke: ), I'll just say 'anemnesis' means much more than just 'remember'. It is as the Jews celebrate Passover, they believe they are participating in the event. Even so, the Eucharist. It is more than just remembering the past, and waxing maudlin. It is to become a participant.

I don't see how you are getting this out of anamnesis. It does mean to refer back to the event fondly, and it could mean to participate...but it still refers to recollection. In other words, even if I am participating in the event, it is still based upon a recollection that i have. This is why it is still a past action. Even if symbolically we are in part of the act, we still must look back to the act and use recollection on it.

This does not provide reasoning that Christ would be present in communion though. This actually would render void the entire concept of anemnesis because it would not longer be an act looking back and participating it, but a present act that we were participating in.

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Hey AK, I agree with you! :unsure:

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OK. You win. I will not attempt to argue you out of self-imposed limitations. Don't bother to study it out well, it really isn't necessary after all.........

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OK. You win. I will not attempt to argue you out of self-imposed limitations. Don't bother to study it out well, it really isn't necessary after all.........

Leonard, look at who you are talking to here...I don't think it's necessary to jump to such a conclusion simply because I disagree on the use of the word. I'm open to discussion on it. Just keep in mind that I do come from a reformed background, so I am less likely to believe that Jesus is physically with us in the taking of communion.

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OK. You win. I will not attempt to argue you out of self-imposed limitations. Don't bother to study it out well, it really isn't necessary after all.........

Leonard, look at who you are talking to here...I don't think it's necessary to jump to such a conclusion simply because I disagree on the use of the word. I'm open to discussion on it. Just keep in mind that I do come from a reformed background, so I am less likely to believe that Jesus is physically with us in the taking of communion.

Well, AK: IF you really hold Calvinist teaching then you ought to believe in Real Presence, as Calvin did; sometimes even hazarding his own life to protect the Communion elements.....

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