End Times?

[Guest jckduboise]

here is an example of it being used that is not about the end times and the Great Tribulation

Excellent point. The Greek base word thlipsis (generally translated affliction, pressure, and tribulation) literally means a squeezing pressure that changes the nature of something. Commonly in the first century Greek, it was the word used to describe the pressure and squeezing that changes grapes into juice. Today we might liken it to the heat, pressure, and squeezing that changed carbon into diamond. It is not a prophetic word by its nature. It is used to describe the nature of something else.

I find it amazing that there is not mention of a rapture coming so that those of us in Christ Jesus have to endure the Tribulation Period.

If I understand your statement, I agree with you. I find nothing that promises the Church that she will not experience the days of affliction, tribulation, and vengence (wrath of man) that begin after the abomination of desolation which occurs 3-1/2 year into the last seven years. I do personally believe that she will *not* experience the wrath of God which I believe is poured out during the period the OT calls "The Day of the LORD" (which I believe will occur after the days of tribulation and affliction are cut short).

Nope not a pre-trib nor mid trib person..end trib yes during the second coming of Christ when He descends from the heavens..the sleeping will rise from their slumber and ... we will all be caught up into the air with Him at that time.

We agree more than I think you think we do.

My personal eschatology does not locate the translation of the Church (the "ressurection of the living") relative to anything called "The Tribulation." I prefer to use Biblically inambiguous terms, like Daniel's Seventieth Week. Technically, a label has been given to my interpretation of these events so that (I guess) it can be put into a box like the other views. It has recently been called "Pre-Wrath Rapturism." It preserves the scriptural truths both pre- and post-tribs can claim, and even satisfies the criticims of both that have led to the more recent mid-trib view, by using a very Biblically-based analysis of the events in the last seven years.

And are you now going to pull out the old boxing gloves and try to have a sparring match with me on who is right and who is wrong according to scripture?

Ah Jacky - Thou doth wound me! You sound like you have been dissappointed before. I'm sorry if that is the case. I understand that you don't know me and my motives. But I hope that over time, you will understand that I would never do that.

Smiles and handshake..if so I am done with this conversation..it gets us know where. In fact I have spent too much time in this particular thread. This topic is how do you say? Oh! I've got it..a dead horse! And I for one am tired of beating it.

Well if you got nothing out of it, pls take comfort in knowing that I did. My personal situation has led me to a place where I have been starved for real Biblical dialog with real Christians, that is heartfealt, sincere, and not shallow. You (and others) have blessed me with the opportunity to begin that. I didn't seek this subject out, it sorta just popped up. I look forward to discussing other serious Biblical issues so that I can continue to learn and grow in my knowledge and understanding of Him and His ways.

Smiles and Blessings to you Schlomo..thank you for seeing me in the real light of my spirit and not handing down ridicule..that in itself is refreshing..I most certainly did not intend to wound you. And the way you said that did make me smile..how very sweet.

My disappointment has been in the human race only. God does not disappoint me in the way I have grown to expect and if you will, please pardon me for prejudging your intent.

I too simply stumbled upon this thread..thinking to myself that I might find something within it that would give me some meat to chew on, not unlike yourself. And look we found it!

Mighty Blessings to you..are you a brother or a sister?..I do not know what Schlomo means so I am unable to discern it..lol

[Guest jckduboise]

Smiles and Blessings to you Schlomo..thank you for seeing me in the real light of my spirit and not handing down ridicule..that in itself is refreshing..I most certainly did not intend to wound you. And the way you said that did make me smile..how very sweet.

My disappointment has been in the human race only. God does not disappoint me in the way I have grown to expect and if you will, please pardon me for prejudging your intent.

I too simply stumbled upon this thread..thinking to myself that I might find something within it that would give me some meat to chew on, not unlike yourself. And look we found it!

Mighty Blessings to you..are you a brother or a sister?..I do not know what Schlomo means so I am unable to discern it..lol

Hurray ! If it made you smile, then my wound is healed.

Yes, that is what I meant. Praise Him that He will never let us down. But, man always will, at some time. And that includes even me. Some day I may let someone here on the board down, but I strive to *not* do that.

Great stuff indeed. About my screen name. Hmmm... My previously mentioned prior encounters with prideful, argumentative Trolls on boards alleging to be Christian led me to adopt an opposite strategy; one which I also used here when registering. That is, to pick a a name that would be the *least* prideful sounding name, something the opposite of, for example, "King Solomen." But - at the same time - it would provide clues about me if anyone ever took me seriously.

To me, "Shlomo" sounds like an immature, overweight kid. Dunno if others react the same way or not. But it is actually the real name of Solomon. We translate his name to Solomon (a name we associate with wisdom and the pursuit of wisdom) but he was actually called Shlomo. Oh, and like the OT Shlomo, I am a guy. Very pleased to finally be on a "worthy" board (pun intended) and very pleased to meet you!

oh, and you can call me "chuck" if you want... Shlomo still sounds like an immature, overweight, kid to me ...

who knows maybe King Solomon was an overweight little kid..but to me he was (even though he messed up) a righteous dude! Look at him..God says I will give you anything that you ask..the king asked for wisdom..wow! Now that is a man after God's own heart..mine too!

Blessings

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