Floatingaxe Posted August 12, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted August 12, 2006 Oh-Oh...Submit:accept game. We accept Jesus Christ as Saviour, for the reason He came... we accept His sacrifice for us! Then, in turn, we submit to Him as Lord as His rightful position over us. Blessings! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGR Posted August 12, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 512 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 8,601 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/16/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/04/1973 Share Posted August 12, 2006 Oh-Oh...Submit:accept game. We accept Jesus Christ as Saviour, for the reason He came... we accept His sacrifice for us! Then, in turn, we submit to Him as Lord as His rightful position over us. Blessings! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Harriet Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 The word rapture itself is not in the Bible. That is true. The meaning of the word is quoted in different scripture. One being ."We shall be cought up in the air" another, the "dead in Christ shall rise first and those which are alive and remain shall be changed. It is 3 AM here in the east and I am not quite prepared to quote verses. I will get back to you with them. This is a topic that is the subject of discussion between a friend of mine and myself. I believelike you were raised.In the rapture(our modernword) and my friend believes we are going through the tribulation. I am truly interested in the topic. See you tomarrow. Harriet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pax Posted August 15, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 961 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/30/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted August 15, 2006 The word rapture itself is not in the Bible. That is true. The meaning of the word is quoted in different scripture. One being ."We shall be cought up in the air" another, the "dead in Christ shall rise first and those which are alive and remain shall be changed. It is 3 AM here in the east and I am not quite prepared to quote verses. I will get back to you with them. This is a topic that is the subject of discussion between a friend of mine and myself. I believelike you were raised.In the rapture(our modernword) and my friend believes we are going through the tribulation. I am truly interested in the topic. See you tomarrow. Harriet So you pull a few scriptures out of the Bible and now we have a theory of men. Do the research, the Rapture is a new concept....only 150 years old. If this theory was so clear in the Bible don't you think some of the early Chruch fathers would of figured this out???? Skip ahead 1,200 years and don't you think Martin Luther might of spoke of a Rapture, or John Calvin??? Nope they never said a word about this. The Rapture theory can trace its roots back to a Chilean Jesuit Priest named Manuel Lacunza. He published a book in 1812 called "The Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty". This was published in Spain. Eventually this book was translated into English in 1827 by Edward Irving, a minister of the Protestant Church of Scotland. He was later excommunicated from his denomination for teaching that Christ's human nature was sinful. Eventually this theory has developed into several different forms so now Rapture believers can't even agree on one thoery. The popularity of this theory has now caught fire because of the "Left Behind Series". This might be a good fictional read, but theological speaking, makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatingaxe Posted August 15, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted August 15, 2006 The catching away of the Church is very clearly indicated in scripture, so for it to be a 150 year-old idea is just plain nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pax Posted August 15, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 961 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/30/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted August 15, 2006 The catching away of the Church is very clearly indicated in scripture, so for it to be a 150 year-old idea is just plain nonsense. Yes, these words are used in scripture, but it doesn't prove a Rapture theory. The Rapture theory is only 150 years old, do the research. And like I stated earlier why didn't any of the Protestant Reformers mention anything about the Rapture? They were trying to reform the Church....don't you think they would of mentioned the Rapture once. You will not find one thing about the Rapture spoken, or written by any Protestant Reformers, as well as any early Church fathers who would of been Catholic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatingaxe Posted August 15, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted August 15, 2006 The catching away of the Church is very clearly indicated in scripture, so for it to be a 150 year-old idea is just plain nonsense. Yes, these words are used in scripture, but it doesn't prove a Rapture theory. The Rapture theory is only 150 years old, do the research. And like I stated earlier why didn't any of the Protestant Reformers mention anything about the Rapture? They were trying to reform the Church....don't you think they would of mentioned the Rapture once. You will not find one thing about the Rapture spoken, or written by any Protestant Reformers, as well as any early Church fathers who would of been Catholic. Doesn't mean a fig to me what they said or didn't say. I read the Word and it is mentioned. It's a lot older than 150 years isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pax Posted August 15, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 961 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/30/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted August 15, 2006 The catching away of the Church is very clearly indicated in scripture, so for it to be a 150 year-old idea is just plain nonsense. Yes, these words are used in scripture, but it doesn't prove a Rapture theory. The Rapture theory is only 150 years old, do the research. And like I stated earlier why didn't any of the Protestant Reformers mention anything about the Rapture? They were trying to reform the Church....don't you think they would of mentioned the Rapture once. You will not find one thing about the Rapture spoken, or written by any Protestant Reformers, as well as any early Church fathers who would of been Catholic. Doesn't mean a fig to me what they said or didn't say. I read the Word and it is mentioned. It's a lot older than 150 years isn't it? Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGR Posted August 16, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 512 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 8,601 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/16/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/04/1973 Share Posted August 16, 2006 The word itself is not there... but the theology, the doctrine, is. You have been taught correctly. Also, if you have been taught that it comes before any of the 7 years begins, you have been taught correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryt Posted August 16, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 52 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,230 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 124 Days Won: 1 Joined: 08/22/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/03/1952 Share Posted August 16, 2006 The word itself is not there... but the theology, the doctrine, is. You have been taught correctly. Also, if you have been taught that it comes before any of the 7 years begins, you have been taught correctly. WHERE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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