I'm With Lt. Gen. Boykin!

[tsth]

Rumsfeld defends general who commented on war, Satan

Thursday, October 16, 2003 Posted: 2:25 PM EDT (1825 GMT)

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff are defending a new deputy undersecretary of defense "who has reportedly cast the war on terror" in religious terms.

Lt. Gen. William G. Boykin, whose promotion and appointment was confirmed by the Senate in June, has said publicly that he sees the war on terrorism as a clash between Judeo-Christian values and Satan, the Los Angeles Times reported Thursday.

Appearing in dress uniform before a religious group in Oregon in June, Boykin said Islamic extremists hate the United States "because we're a Christian nation, because our foundation and our roots are Judeo-Christians. ... And the enemy is a guy named Satan."

In its report, the Times said Boykin was not available for comment and did not respond to written questions the newspaper submitted to him Wednesday. Audio and video tapes of Boykin's public appearances before religious groups over the past two years were obtained exclusively by NBC News, which reported on them Wednesday night on the "Nightly News" with Tom Brokaw.

Discussing a U.S. Army battle against a Muslim warlord in Somalia in 1993, Boykin told one audience, "I knew my god was bigger than his. I knew that my god was a real god and his was an idol."

Asked about this Thursday, Rumsfeld told reporters he had not seen the videos and did not know the "full context" of Boykin's remarks. But the secretary did say, "We do know that he is an officer that has an outstanding record in the United States armed forces."

President Bush has often said the view of the administration is that the United States is in a war against terrorism, "not a war against a religion," Rumsfeld said, but rather a war against people who "have tried to hijack a religion."

"There are a lot of things that are said by people that are their views," he said, "and that's the way we live. We are free people and that's the wonderful thing about our country, and I think for anyone to run around and think that can be managed or controlled is probably wrong."

Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said "there is a very wide gray area on what the rules permit" but that "at first blush, it doesn't look like any rules were broken."

Senators who appeared before reporters at the Pentagon Thursday on another matter were asked about the reports. Sen. Lincoln D. Chafee, R-Rhode Island, said he had not been aware of Boykin's views as described by the Times, then added, "If that's accurate, to me it's deplorable."

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Boykin's views are deplorable.

But Bush's are even worse....

[Guest idolsmasher]

I'm with Chafee and homebild. One form of radical fundamentalist extremism is much like another.

Asked about this Thursday, Rumsfeld told reporters he had not seen the videos and did not know the "full context" of Boykin's remarks.

"There are a lot of things that are said by people that are their views," he said, "and that's the way we live. We are free people and that's the wonderful thing about our country, and I think for anyone to run around and think that can be managed or controlled is probably wrong."

Do you think that "Rummy" would have been so forgiving if the comment was about Jews?

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Why? Because he knows how big our God is? Because he publicly proclaims that God is in control? Because he claims America is a Christian nation? What is deplorable about that?

The general leading the hunt for Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein has publicly declared that the Christian God is "bigger" than Allah, who is a false "idol", and believes the war on terrorism is a fight with Satan, it emerged yesterday.

Investigative reporters from the Los Angeles Times and NBC television have dug up two years' worth of seemingly incendiary comments from Lt Gen William "Jerry" Boykin, the newly promoted deputy undersecretary of state of defence for intelligence.

Gen Boykin has repeatedly told Christian groups and prayer meetings that President George W Bush was chosen by God to lead the global fight against Satan.

He told one gathering: "Why is this man in the White House? The majority of Americans did not vote for him. He's in the White House because God put him there for a time such as this."

In January, he told Baptists in Florida about a victory over a Muslim warlord in Somalia, who had boasted that Allah would protect him from American capture. "I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real god and his was an idol," Gen Boykin said.

I don't have a problem with anyone who will proclaim that our God is the One True God.

(You do realize it will come down to that proclamation don't you?)

In His Love,

Suzanne

[Matthitjah]

Bless you Saints of the most High Jesus Christ,

Ro

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I thank God for men such as Lt. Gen. William G. Boykin!

Personally, I don't think he should speak before churches in uniform. Servicemen are allowed to exercise the freedoms our Constitution gives us. But some are curtailed while we on duty, and they are not allowed to speak at public events while in uniform unless they are officially representing the government or military service. But I have to admit that while serving as a bi-vocational pastor of a small church, and being a sergeant in the Army, that I occasionally preached and led prayer meetings on Wednesday night in my BDUs (Battle Dressed Uniform, or cammies).

America is in a war in which our manifest and self-professed enemies declare they are in a "Holy War" against the "Great Satan

[tsth]

I couldn't have said it better myself! Thank you Robert....and welcome to Worthy Boards.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[Guest idolsmasher]

Why? Because he knows how big our God is? Because he publicly proclaims that God is in control? Because he claims America is a Christian nation? What is deplorable about that?

No, but because he makes the false claim that Jesus Christ is backing America in it's wars.

I don't have a problem with anyone who will proclaim that our God is the One True God.

Neither do I, but I do have a problem with a guy that wields immense power claiming that 1.3 billion Muslims are the spawn of Satan (which is what he really thinks even though he denies it).

America is in a war in which our manifest and self-professed enemies declare they are in a "Holy War" against the "Great Satan

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What is completley deplorable is that General Boykin and President Bush completley subvert the Gospel of Jesus Christ by espousing that the way to promote the Gospel is at the end of a gun barrel and by the murder of one's enemies.

Jesus Christ never taught any such thing and in fact taught that the acceptable way to turn an evildoer to God was to sacrifice one's OWN life in the process, not require your enemy to sacrifice his.

And the apostle speaking rightly and in accordance with Christ said:

"the weapons of our warfare and NOT carnal"

We as believers DO NOT win others to Christ with bombs and bullets and cries of a "Holy War."

Those who speak and act thusly only serve to crucify Christ again by living oppositely to what He commanded.

Boykin and Bush by their militaristic actions prove themselves to be false believers and in no submission to the Holy Spirit by their words and deeds.

Bush remains condemned by his own pastors and bishops for his immoral and sinful actions in Iraq.

Murder and war are not fruits of the Holy Spirit but works of the carnal sinful flesh.

[Faith1]

Suzanne -

I couldn't have said it better myself! Thank you Robert....and welcome to Worthy Boards.

Absolutely I agree with you Robert. Well said.

Faith1