What is blasphemy? Is it unforgivable?

[SilentSon]

I do not believe that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit can be committed by a Christian.

well in the bible its says that the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy

[Guest shiloh357]

I do not believe that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit can be committed by a Christian.

well in the bible its says that the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy

No, it says that the unforgivable sin is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. It is very specific, and is not referring to all sins of blasphemy.

[Floatingaxe]

I do not believe that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit can be committed by a Christian.

well in the bible its says that the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy

No, it says that the unforgivable sin is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. It is very specific, and is not referring to all sins of blasphemy.

That's right!

[Floatingaxe]

In romans 11 and John 15 in the story of the Vine and the branches, we see specifically that we(the branches) who are IN the True Vine(Christ) can be cut off through disobedience. They can wither and be burned up even.

This specifically shows that those who are In Christ, Christians, can lose their salvation, and can turn from God and blaspheme Him(the Holy Spirit, who is God.

That scripture is not referring to being cut off! It is referring to chastisement, and painful refining.

[apothanein kerdos]

In romans 11 and John 15 in the story of the Vine and the branches, we see specifically that we(the branches) who are IN the True Vine(Christ) can be cut off through disobedience. They can wither and be burned up even.

This specifically shows that those who are In Christ, Christians, can lose their salvation, and can turn from God and blaspheme Him(the Holy Spirit, who is God.

That scripture is not referring to being cut off! It is referring to chastisement, and painful refining.

Shhhhh....don't use proper interpretational skills to come to truth and a logical conclusion that fits in scripture more so than other doctrines....

[apothanein kerdos]

In romans 11 and John 15 in the story of the Vine and the branches, we see specifically that we(the branches) who are IN the True Vine(Christ) can be cut off through disobedience. They can wither and be burned up even.

This specifically shows that those who are In Christ, Christians, can lose their salvation, and can turn from God and blaspheme Him(the Holy Spirit, who is God.

That scripture is not referring to being cut off! It is referring to chastisement, and painful refining.

Really?

being cut off from the true vine for disobedience and then being withered and birned is the descrption of chastisement? hmmmm?

BUT,.........if you come back into obedience you can be regrafted into the true vine, to be once again IN Christ.

anyone "cut off" from Christ and being withered and then burned is certainly desciption of hell, not chastisement. all church history prior to the 18th century agree with me on this.

lol

Then you haven't read any history prior to the 18th century. Apparently you forgo the latter works of Augustine.

[Floatingaxe]

John 15...

I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful. 3You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.

5"I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you. 8This is to my Father's glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.

This has nothing to do with losing one's salvation. This has to do with FRUITFULNESS. If you do not abide in Him, you become LIKE a branch that is useless to the vine, fruitless. Have you never met a Christian who is fruitless in his living? Who no longer abides in Christ? Who is carnal and lazy, thinking he's okay because he has his fire insurance?

Romans 11 is talking about the Gentiles being grafted into the Vine, joined as one with Israel.

[Guest shiloh357]

In romans 11 and John 15 in the story of the Vine and the branches, we see specifically that we(the branches) who are IN the True Vine(Christ) can be cut off through disobedience. They can wither and be burned up even.

This specifically shows that those who are In Christ, Christians, can lose their salvation, and can turn from God and blaspheme Him(the Holy Spirit, who is God.

papist, anyone who turns from God, and loses their salvation(as if that were possible) and would cease being Christian, and thus it would not be a case of a Christian blaspheming the Holy Spirit. As I have stated we have NO scriptural evidence of a Christian committing that sin. The only people who committed this sin were unbelievers, and then only during the earthly ministry of Jesus.

[Arthur Durnan]

Attributing the work of the Blessed Holy Spirit & His saving/transforming/liberating power to the evil one, the devil himself. All who have been redeemed by Christ & who know Him as Lord & Savior walking in His way will not so blaspheme. AMEN!

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[billie]

Papist, I know the audience was the Church, but it still seems to me he could be speaking of unbelievers who've recieved knowledge of the Truth, but turned aside anyway to sin, or didn't accept the Truth. I'm no theologian. I could be wrong, but that's how it looks to me.