What is blasphemy? Is it unforgivable?

[billie]

then why did he include himself?

26For if WE go on SINNING willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there NO LONGER REMAINS A SACRIFICE FOR SINS,

27but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES.

Good point, was it a literary device or was he actually claiming he could use his salvation? Hmmm...

[billie]

4For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,

5and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,

6and then have fallen away, it is (P)impossible to renew them again to repentance, (Q)since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.

Even closer to proving your point, I must say, you seem to be winning this one, Papist.

[Guest shiloh357]

then why did he include himself?

26For if WE go on SINNING willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there NO LONGER REMAINS A SACRIFICE FOR SINS,

27but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES.

Because it was an "editorial" we. That happens all the time in discussions and debates. Often times, to avoid sounding accusatory, an argument can sometimes be softened by the author by indcluding himself in the actions he is criticizing so as not to appear to be pointing a finger or exalt himself above his reader/listener. It is not that he necessarily including himself.

Hebrews 10 is talking about those who know the truth, but reject it. There are people even today, who know that the gospel is true, but are too in love with the world to give it up. Just like there are people who know they are eating themselves into an early grave, but continue to eat unhealthy foods and refuse to excercize.

Knowing/acknowledging the truth and accepting it, are two different things.

[apothanein kerdos]

I have yet to see where Augustine actually taught anything contradicting Church doctrine. And fortunately, he does not make official Church doctrine, it is all of the Bishops in union with Rome with the Holy Spirit working through them, just as we see in scripture when major decisions are made, it was always through the bishops of the Church.

Then you haven't read Augustine. There is hardly a scholar out there, outside of the RCC, that says Augustine didn't teach perseverence of the Saints. Have you read through his works, and be honest.

If you want to debate if what he has to say is valid, that's fine. We can debate that. I could care less. However, to say that the belief of eternal security didn't arise until the 1700's is an absurd proposition and one that is proven incorrect by thousands upon thousands of historical documents that directly contradict this claim.

[EricH]

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I DO doubt however that Augustine ever taught this to be true, I have not found it to be so in his writings. can you please give me your source and the exact document you speak of so that I canresearch this claim. I do not doubt you necessarily, but most of what people have claimed the fathers of the church said, do not square with the full context of the document(s) themselves.

I look forward to your source and the exact location of his quotes that i can see. thank you and peace to you.

CHAP. 14.

[Guest chatrismoy]

I went through an article before, but I forgot the location. It talked about blasphemy against The Holy Spirit. It said how:

If you keep commiting the same sin, but continue to ask God for Forgiveness, are you Forgiven? If you keep commiting the same sin and ask for Forgiveness, does it become insincere? I am unsure, what is your take on it?

Blue I have always wanted to know the answer to this, although only God knows. I kow others have an opinion on this topic though. My opinion has always been that you cannot keep sinning and repenting over and over. I believe to get forgiveness for that sin you continually commit will take longer and you will have to prove yourself more to God once you have done it to a certain extent. You cannot use the fact that God is a forgiving God. You cannot sin just because you know he will forgive you. Maybe this is along the lines of blasphemy? Any ideas?

[Guest shiloh357]

I went through an article before, but I forgot the location. It talked about blasphemy against The Holy Spirit. It said how:

If you keep commiting the same sin, but continue to ask God for Forgiveness, are you Forgiven? If you keep commiting the same sin and ask for Forgiveness, does it become insincere? I am unsure, what is your take on it?

Blue I have always wanted to know the answer to this, although only God knows. I kow others have an opinion on this topic though. My opinion has always been that you cannot keep sinning and repenting over and over. I believe to get forgiveness for that sin you continually commit will take longer and you will have to prove yourself more to God once you have done it to a certain extent. You cannot use the fact that God is a forgiving God. You cannot sin just because you know he will forgive you. Maybe this is along the lines of blasphemy? Any ideas?

Well it does not really pertain to blasphemy, but you are correct, nonetheless. The Bible says in the book of Proverbs, "The sacrifices of the wicked are an abomination to the Lord." What the author meant was those sacrifces that are offered in insincerity. The person comes to make their offerings, but are not repentant, and fully expect to go out commit the same sins again. There was NO provision in the sacrificial system for those offered a sacrifice, fully intending in their hearts, to commit the same sin

We cannot ask for forigiveness over and over when we are unrepentant. God is not like the pagan deities that needs to be appeased. He does not look upon the action but the heart. Those who come to church on Sunday just to white-wash their sin, and sate their conscience need not consider themselves forgiven.

That having been said, it is not the same thing as those who fall to the same sin multiple times in a sincere desire to serve the Lord. There are people who struggle with sins of their past, and the Lord is compassionate and forgiving as they live before Him in sincerity, truly wanting from their hearts to please Him. He is the God of a 2nd chance, a 3rd chance, a 144th chance... He knows the difference between those who simply enjoy sin, and exploit His grace in a vain attempt to escape their guilt, and those who are truly remorseful and want to do that which pleases him and fall in that attempt.

[Tribulation]

as far as tripe, if everything the catholic church has to offer is tripe, then i would suggest you not read the catholic book called the Bible. The catholic church wrote the new testament, protected it, studied it, and decided whichj books of the old and new testament were inspired by the power of God working through the One Church.

The catholic book called the Bible? I would be tempted to call that blasphemy! I don't believe that the Bible 'belongs' to any one church or person on this planet! That's why it's called 'The Word of God' and not 'The Word of the Catholic church, with a bit of inspiration from God'. The Word (i.e. The Bible) is God's.

[Guest drbelitz]

papist1

There was a church long before there was a book. That church was one and for the whole world, it was universal(catholic) and its bishop was the bishop of Rome.

Can you defend your misguided statement above with

[Tribulation]

papist1

There was a church long before there was a book. That church was one and for the whole world, it was universal(catholic) and its bishop was the bishop of Rome.

Can you defend your misguided statement above with