Remitting Sins

[st. Worm]

There is nothing to dance around, for the Bible believer.

I provided God's Word which addresses the issue

Not yet! Most of the refs. were stupid in this context, frankly. Do try again- though I think you will search in vain.

Now God's Word is "stupid"?

That looks extremely malicious, after I deliberately included the words 'in this context'. Do explain.

You have provided no arguments, not even bad ones, to dispute the verses.

You have provided merely a list of verses, with no exegesis whatever. A laundry list would have been as useful. If you cannot exegete your choice of verses, then it can be assumed that your case falls.

The verses I supplied speak for themselves. Of course you have to read them.

sw

[st. Worm]

This is a verse that modern day evangelicals, the same ones who hate to acknowledge true church authority, must tap dance around and twist. Not only does the verse point to the doctrine of confession and absolution through the church but also to church authority with regard to discipline of the unrepentant member.

While all sin was dealt with at the cross it pleases God to bring specific forgiveness through confession of those sins by true believers. For if we say we have no sin we make God out to be a liar. We are to confess these sins to one another. That is true not only for the worst unbeliever but also for the most pious Christian. Forgiveness of sin is applied through the means of grace, God's Word and His sacraments. Yet that is still somewhat different since those applications of forgiveness are completed without the synergisic activity of the sinner.

At any rate, the denial of the powers vested in His church by its founder, Jesus, continues to evolve even to the point that we now see many who have rejected the church altogether as they gather in their own little cocoons at home, free from the worry of real accountibility that a legitimate church provides. Unfortunately they have also removed themselves from another function of the true church, and that is the power to bind and loosen, to hear their confession and to absolve their sin.

sw

Worm

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There is nothing to dance around, for the Bible believer.

I provided God's Word which addresses the issue

Not yet! Most of the refs. were stupid in this context, frankly. Do try again- though I think you will search in vain.

Now God's Word is "stupid"?

That looks extremely malicious, after I deliberately included the words 'in this context'. Do explain.

You have provided no arguments, not even bad ones, to dispute the verses.

You have provided merely a list of verses, with no exegesis whatever. A laundry list would have been as useful. If you cannot exegete your choice of verses, then it can be assumed that your case falls.

The verses I supplied speak for themselves.

Indeed they do, but not to your purpose in any way whatever! If that is the best that catholicism can do, it is a complete absurdity.

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Horizon, I think its important to note that when I say modern evangelicals are generally anti-Catholic I mean to say that they usually reject any practice of the Roman Catholic church, even legitimate ones.

The RCC has no legitimate practices, because its whole purpose is to destroy Christianity, as it always has been. The Archbishop of Canterbury once described the RCC as 'the seat of AntiChrist'. That was an exaggeration, but nothing has happened since the Reformation to change that approximate pov.

[st. Worm]

There is nothing to dance around, for the Bible believer.

I provided God's Word which addresses the issue

Not yet! Most of the refs. were stupid in this context, frankly. Do try again- though I think you will search in vain.

Now God's Word is "stupid"?

That looks extremely malicious, after I deliberately included the words 'in this context'. Do explain.

You have provided no arguments, not even bad ones, to dispute the verses.

You have provided merely a list of verses, with no exegesis whatever. A laundry list would have been as useful. If you cannot exegete your choice of verses, then it can be assumed that your case falls.

The verses I supplied speak for themselves.

Indeed they do, but not to your purpose in any way whatever! If that is the best that catholicism can do, it is a complete absurdity.

I assume you mean Catholicism. Your bias has completely blinded you. I am certainly not Roman Catholic. This is another example of a biblical teaching that evangelicals reject just because the Catholics do it.

sw

[st. Worm]

Recall a discussion on here a few weeks ago where many of them even rejected the idea of confession itself as part of the church liturgy.

sw

I am not sure exactly what was said in the thread you are mentioning, but this is how I feel about confession of sins. I have no problem with the Biblical concept of confessing sins one to another, but in this day, one had better be careful who they share their secrets with because many in the church will start gossiping about it as soon as they have the story. I believe that when we sin, we should confess that sin to the Father in heaven to receive forgiveness, and that we need no earthly go-between like a Priest. Jesus is our high priest, so if anything, he is our go-between with the Father. I don't feel the need to go into a confessional.

I don't think its any big secret to say you are a sinner in thought word and deed. If you can't confess that publicly then I think it would also be hard or even meaningless to confess Christ as your Savior publicly.

sw

I think that is one of the most ludicrous statement I have seen posted at Worthy Chat, and I have seem some hum dingers.

Care to elaborate?

sw

They are two completely differen't issues. Confession of sins to one another has nothing to do with confessing faith in Christ. The comparison doesn't fit, even if you "think" they do.

The point is if one cannot confess they are a sinner then what is the point of confessing a Savior? If one is not a sinner there is no need for the Savior. Shooting from the hip with your silly comment about my point being ludicrious saps your credibility as a poster.

sw

[st. Worm]

Horizon, I think its important to note that when I say modern evangelicals are generally anti-Catholic I mean to say that they usually reject any practice of the Roman Catholic church, even legitimate ones.

The RCC has no legitimate practices, because its whole purpose is to destroy Christianity, as it always has been. The Archbishop of Canterbury once described the RCC as 'the seat of AntiChrist'. That was an exaggeration, but nothing has happened since the Reformation to change that approximate pov.

Thanks for proving my point about anti-Catholic bias. To say the RCC has absolutely no legitimate practices is exactly what I knew you would ultimately say.

sw

[st. Worm]

This is a verse that modern day evangelicals, the same ones who hate to acknowledge true church authority, must tap dance around and twist. Not only does the verse point to the doctrine of confession and absolution through the church but also to church authority with regard to discipline of the unrepentant member.

While all sin was dealt with at the cross it pleases God to bring specific forgiveness through confession of those sins by true believers. For if we say we have no sin we make God out to be a liar. We are to confess these sins to one another. That is true not only for the worst unbeliever but also for the most pious Christian. Forgiveness of sin is applied through the means of grace, God's Word and His sacraments. Yet that is still somewhat different since those applications of forgiveness are completed without the synergisic activity of the sinner.

At any rate, the denial of the powers vested in His church by its founder, Jesus, continues to evolve even to the point that we now see many who have rejected the church altogether as they gather in their own little cocoons at home, free from the worry of real accountibility that a legitimate church provides. Unfortunately they have also removed themselves from another function of the true church, and that is the power to bind and loosen, to hear their confession and to absolve their sin.

sw

Worm

[st. Worm]

Recall a discussion on here a few weeks ago where many of them even rejected the idea of confession itself as part of the church liturgy.

sw

I am not sure exactly what was said in the thread you are mentioning, but this is how I feel about confession of sins. I have no problem with the Biblical concept of confessing sins one to another, but in this day, one had better be careful who they share their secrets with because many in the church will start gossiping about it as soon as they have the story. I believe that when we sin, we should confess that sin to the Father in heaven to receive forgiveness, and that we need no earthly go-between like a Priest. Jesus is our high priest, so if anything, he is our go-between with the Father. I don't feel the need to go into a confessional.

I don't think its any big secret to say you are a sinner in thought word and deed. If you can't confess that publicly then I think it would also be hard or even meaningless to confess Christ as your Savior publicly.

sw

I think that is one of the most ludicrous statement I have seen posted at Worthy Chat, and I have seem some hum dingers.

Care to elaborate?

sw

They are two completely differen't issues. Confession of sins to one another has nothing to do with confessing faith in Christ. The comparison doesn't fit, even if you "think" they do.

The point is if one cannot confess they are a sinner then what is the point of confessing a Savior? If one is not a sinner there is no need for the Savior. Shooting from the hip with your silly comment about my point being ludicrious saps your credibility as a poster.

sw

I continue to say it was ludicrous, and given for shock value. There is no comparison between confessing one's sins to another and confessing Christ. Everyone that comes to Jesus does so as a sinner in need of a savior. Everyone is aware of that. It has nothing to do with the need to confess individual sins to other Christians.

If you see no correlation to acknowledging sin and confessing Christ then you miss the point of Christ's gospel. To say it was given for "shock value" is ignorant and without merit.

sw

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The verses I supplied speak for themselves.

Indeed they do, but not to your purpose in any way whatever! If that is the best that catholicism can do, it is a complete absurdity.

I assume you mean Catholicism.

I meant what I wrote.

Your bias has completely blinded you.

Excuse my bias against those who persecute the church. I'm funny like that.

I am certainly not Roman Catholic.

That's why I wrote 'catholic'. Did that infuriate you? Like 'in this context'?

This is another example of a biblical teaching that evangelicals reject just because the Catholics do it.

Nothing so convenient; it's because they come up with amazing posts like #17!