Rise of Fascism

[ted]

There is only one Christian Church that is still opposed to contraception and views its use as a sin.

Not true.

The church I am a member of believes this, too.

It's an Indy Baptist church, btw.

t.

[John Lennon]

I fear the rise of of a form of Christian Fundamentalist Fascism in this country. Does anyone else agree that seperation of church and state is an all important part of our consitutional rights? I can only hope that liberals and moderate conservatives can see clearly this threat to civil liberties. I have grown up believing in the individual freedoms that not too long ago I took for granted. But organizations like the Christian Coalition seem to have an agenda to impose their own idea of morality and values on the rest of us. I am very suspicious of a religious group that becomes so political in this country! And how we have stood by and let it happen...Politics and religion should never be allowed to mix. I hope we americans never see the day when the church once again becomes the strong arm of the law! Maybe I sound paranoid, but think about Nazi Germany in the early 1930's...far fetched you say? The dangerous world we live in seems to be the perfect breeding ground for religious fanatics! The silver lining to all this is so far we have a right to speak out in America and protest peacefully. Even forums such as this can be a start for these issues to be discussed.---And Now!

Comparring the Christian coalition to Nazis?? Boy thats a real stretch. You might recall the Nazis killed millions and millions of people. They also were no followers of Jesus Christ or any religion for that matter. Why do Christians have to get involved with politics? That a real simple question to answer, because our politicians create and pass laws that are against the moral good of society. Abortion is the easiest example to show but there are others. We live in a country where a women can walk into a clinic and kill an unborn human life in the third trimester. We aren't talking about killing a unborn baby 12 weeks into a pregnency but rather talking a human life that is minutes away from being fully born and sticking a pair of scissors in the back on the neck of the baby and terminanting a life. (This is clearly murder and if that same pregnant women walked into a gas station and was killed during a robbery the robber would be tried on two counts of murder, so you tell me wants the difference?) When put in these terms, most people would say thats sick and might add very Nazi like. So what do we do as people of this great country, sit back and say hey keep killing babies we aren't going to get involved. No we vote for pro-life politicians who have the common sense to realize that killing babies is very bad. Groups such as the Christian coalition are leading the fight on such moral issues.

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So just answer this one question are you o.k. with a doctor killing a perfectly innoncent child in the third trimester (or any trimester for that matter) because this is what the mother wants?

The good mommy should have taken birth control measures before getting pregneant! "sigh'...this is such a deep socio-econimic issue.But there 'are' liberals against abortion-I'm one of them.

[John Lennon]

I fear the rise of of a form of Christian Fundamentalist Fascism in this country. Does anyone else agree that seperation of church and state is an all important part of our consitutional rights? I can only hope that liberals and moderate conservatives can see clearly this threat to civil liberties. I have grown up believing in the individual freedoms that not too long ago I took for granted. But organizations like the Christian Coalition seem to have an agenda to impose their own idea of morality and values on the rest of us. I am very suspicious of a religious group that becomes so political in this country! And how we have stood by and let it happen...Politics and religion should never be allowed to mix. I hope we americans never see the day when the church once again becomes the strong arm of the law! Maybe I sound paranoid, but think about Nazi Germany in the early 1930's...far fetched you say? The dangerous world we live in seems to be the perfect breeding ground for religious fanatics! The silver lining to all this is so far we have a right to speak out in America and protest peacefully. Even forums such as this can be a start for these issues to be discussed.---And Now!

The morals and values that this country was founded upon were by far the norm in america until after the 1960s with contraception being accepted and then abortion. Since these two terrible sins have been allowed to freely take place, we see the family being broken up, first by the use of contraception and the sex on demand mentality, sex with no responsibility, and then with that causing the legalization of abortion. Once you have made it clear that women are to be used as sexual objects by using birth control, then you diminish their dignity and importance and the sacredness of the marital act. The moral norm then gets foggy and you decide that killing your baby before it can be born is okay also.

The root of abortion is contraception, and the root of both is sin nature.

Divorce is what follows both of these, as we can readily see in the western world, since these two sins have been accepted, even by christians, the divorce rate has gone from less than 10% in this nation to almost half in 50 short years.

Do you think people colletively will choose abstinence? In a perfect world maybe, but not this one!

[Observer of dreams]

I am pro-choice mainly because abortion prevents these irresponsible women or men from dumping their child in a dumpster, or attempting an abortion on themselves. However I also feel that if I want to have sex. I had better be able to support a child. Otherwise I shouldn't have sex. All abortion tells me is that people are so irresponsible with children that the children need to be killed to prevent these irresponsible adults from fathering, or mothering a child. If something is threatening the mothers life than it is different. Pro choice to me doesn't mean abortion has to be that choice.

[EDIT] I know this post is off subject, but it seemed that people were talking about it so I figured "Heck! Why not?"

Edited September 12, 2006 by Observer of dreams

[billie]

Abortion is murder.

[botticelli]

I fear the rise of of a form of Christian Fundamentalist Fascism in this country. Does anyone else agree that seperation of church and state is an all important part of our consitutional rights? I can only hope that liberals and moderate conservatives can see clearly this threat to civil liberties. I have grown up believing in the individual freedoms that not too long ago I took for granted. But organizations like the Christian Coalition seem to have an agenda to impose their own idea of morality and values on the rest of us. I am very suspicious of a religious group that becomes so political in this country! And how we have stood by and let it happen...Politics and religion should never be allowed to mix. I hope we americans never see the day when the church once again becomes the strong arm of the law! Maybe I sound paranoid, but think about Nazi Germany in the early 1930's...far fetched you say? The dangerous world we live in seems to be the perfect breeding ground for religious fanatics! The silver lining to all this is so far we have a right to speak out in America and protest peacefully. Even forums such as this can be a start for these issues to be discussed.---And Now!

I beleive that every govenernment needs god in it

[Observer of dreams]

Abortion is murder.

If I judge I am judged by the judgment I have made.

[billie]

Abortion is murder.

If I judge I am judged by the judgment I have made.

Was that directed towards me?

[botticelli]

Abortion is murder.

If I judge I am judged by the judgment I have made.

then i hope you judge it right

[Observer of dreams]

I was talking to you if that's what you mean, but if I were going to direct the statement at you I would have said if YOU judge, not if I judge. I was just giving you my perspective on my views is all