Imagine

[Guest yod]

And I could care less if he's Born Again! Born into what? He's a murderer!!!!!!!!!! He killed the man, but he did'nt kill the dream. And I hope he reads this in his cell. What say you?

Wasn't it you who mentioned he was born again?

It seemed like you were saying he was a christian who killed Lennon "for God" or something?

What say I?

"Ye shall reap what you sew"

He can find forgiveness for his soul but he will still have to pay the price for sin in this life.

[John Lennon]

That hilarious website "Demonizing" John Lennon was the funniest thing I ever saw!!! I only have one response to it.....The goat is just a symbol of the "devil" like so many others..How do you connect that to an album cover with Paul McCartney? You were ripping into John, Right? Leave Paul McCartney alone!!!!

This forum isn't about John Lennon and Paul McCartney. And did I say again that your use of his name is disrespectful? You seem to be upset. And about what? Something someone said about Paul McCartney? There are message boards for that and this isn't one of them.

Fair enough..I was indeed defending John Lennon being demonized. I mean, that is ridiculous that's all. This is just people debating something they don't agree on. To state that John Lennon..for all his faults,equates to Satan is a bit extreme. Don't you agree?

[RebekahDavid]

If you want to "imagine" what the world would be like without religion then look to those places who's governments did away with religion such as the Former USSR and China. Imagine the love and peace that was felt by all the people murdered for this system. Imagine the portait of man's love and kindness that was splashed all over the news and the minds of those who saw one young Chinese student standing to face his destruction by the tank. I think we do not have to "imagine" it is there for all to see.

[RebekahDavid]

Further if you are willing to see the truth instead of imagination then i challenge you to read "Tortured For Christ" by Richard Wurmbrand. An autobiography that shows this non religious man made system challenging the love of Christ of a true believer.

[RebekahDavid]

I really hope that you do read it ( Tortured For Christ) John i am very interested to know what you think after you have read it.

[cjrose]

That hilarious website "Demonizing" John Lennon was the funniest thing I ever saw!!! I only have one response to it.....The goat is just a symbol of the "devil" like so many others..How do you connect that to an album cover with Paul McCartney? You were ripping into John, Right? Leave Paul McCartney alone!!!!

This forum isn't about John Lennon and Paul McCartney. And did I say again that your use of his name is disrespectful? You seem to be upset. And about what? Something someone said about Paul McCartney? There are message boards for that and this isn't one of them.

Fair enough..I was indeed defending John Lennon being demonized. I mean, that is ridiculous that's all. This is just people debating something they don't agree on. To state that John Lennon..for all his faults,equates to Satan is a bit extreme. Don't you agree?

Firstly, you have not once addressed the use of his name being disrespectful. I agree only that JL had a gift for music and in the music industry will go down as a legend as well as the rest of the Beatles. I don't judge the living or respectfully the dead so in a way, yes I can agree with you that we have some very enthusiastic Christians. Perhaps it was extreme without any back up but let's not let this thread turn in to whether or not JL was a satanist. I don't really care. He is dead. I'm alive, you are alive, why waste your energy in getting angry on a theory? Now, are you idolizing him by using his name or is it some kind of joke? I'm seriously curious and wish you would address that question. I also need to add that his love for yoko was amazing kind of love as if they truly belonged together. I always admired that about the couple.

spreading the love!

Ephesians 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace

[cjrose]

Further if you are willing to see the truth instead of imagination then i challenge you to read "Tortured For Christ" by Richard Wurmbrand. An autobiography that shows this non religious man made system challenging the love of Christ of a true believer.

With all due respect and I speak from the heart, I think John has been misinterpreted. As Christians we need to speak our of understanding and love. Christians are challenged all the time and have been for centuries and will be in time to come. If we want to get the truth to John it isn't through an antagonists point of view but through scripture and our own testimony. Please do not take offense Rebekah for I am not speaking to you alone.

This thread has turned in to posting on one person because of the lyrics of a song writen a long time ago. Can we focus on what this forum is about and attempt to show compassion and love in the face of insults and off the origional topic? These things can get out of hand and I for one don't want to belong to a forum where there is behavior towards non believers (as obnoxious as they may be ) Are we to not love them as Jesus loved? Some of these posts come across as very combative and there is no reason for it. This is the world and everyone has their own opinions. It's great that we can give them narratives and websites and articles, etc... but do those things really plant seeds? No, we do.

spreading the love...

Ephesians 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace

[RebekahDavid]

John So you think you will read it John so i can get your opinion of it?

CJ -"Tortured for Christ "is a very clear picture of Jesus" love in action through a man not sure why you would object to that or find that lacking love? Where is it lacking in love to show what man is like without religion since that is the premise of the song? I do not follow how this is in anyway unloving for it is pointing to the truth as viewed through fairly recent history. Real love does show truth and the entire premise of this posting is the lyrics of a song that decry reality.

[cjrose]

John So you think you will read it John so i can get your opinion of it?

CJ -"Tortured for Christ "is a very clear picture of Jesus" love in action through a man not sure why you would object to that or find that lacking love? Where is it lacking in love to show what man is like without religion since that is the premise of the song? I do not follow how this is in anyway unloving for it is pointing to the truth as viewed through fairly recent history. Real love does show truth and the entire premise of this posting is the lyrics of a song that decry reality.

I think you now misinterpret me. It's now what you say but how you say it. It isn't that I disagree with you, but it's just a song that are just words, worldly words of a muscian who may have been on drugs at the time. I do not see why so much emphasis is placed on this subject.

I just felt that the Holy Spirit was telling me to speak to him from a loving standpoint as it seems that everyone is yelling at him on other posts, not you, just generally.

I don't think I am getting my point across and it's very late or very early lol I am just trying to get this forum to a place of Christs Spirit where we don't let the non believers and athiests hit a nerve. Again, not saying he did with you but I felt something negative there and had to jump in. If you have read my posts you know I am a lover of Jesus Christ and I have no agenda except that what once drew me away from these boards, the disagreements and arguements, are the same reason I have come back, to remind us all that we need to speak from the spirit. And oh this isn't sounding like I want it to.

Just know I respect you and love you and do not mean anything harsh in anyway or accuse you anything.

Going to bed now Thanks for understanding.

[RebekahDavid]

Dear Cj hope you sleep well and are refreshed and renewed.I copied the original post so that you could see the topic the OP(John Lennon) wrote:

"One of the songs that inspired me growing up was Imagine by John Lennon..it was a song that crystalized his vision for the world. Imagine no heaven...no hell below us..above us only sky. I think of the song as a benign view that he developed as a result of things he had read and derived from comparative religion theories of Joseph Campbell and the Beatles' visits with the Maharishi. The dream Lennon had of people living in peace and simply sharing the world is what the song implies as if religion had never existed in the first place. A common goal that I would hope most people generally seek. Religion has driven people apart and caused division and intolerance in the world and the search for God and truth seems to have been lost in the confusion. Imagine a world that got it right and never invented religion but lived in virtual harmony! Is'nt that was Jesus would have wanted for the world anyway?-He was just a guy like Ghandi who spoke of brotherhood and loving one and other. Those are concepts even an atheist can grasp! This whole idea of being "saved" is up to us..we can save ourselves!

and i did stay on topic with my reply

If you want to "imagine" what the world would be like without religion then look to those places who's governments did away with religion such as the Former USSR and China. Imagine the love and peace that was felt by all the people murdered for this system. Imagine the portait of man's love and kindness that was splashed all over the news and the minds of those who saw one young Chinese student standing to face his destruction by the tank. I think we do not have to "imagine" it is there for all to see.