hell and mercy

[Guest man]

Hitler killed himself committing a mortal sin.

Where in the bible does it say that killing yourself is a sin? No assumptions please.

I'm not trying to start anything here...I've always wondered.

[Pax]

Hitler killed himself committing a mortal sin.

Where in the bible does it say that killing yourself is a sin? No assumptions please.

I'm not trying to start anything here...I've always wondered.

Everyone is responsible for his life before God who has given it to him. It is God who remains the sovereign Master of life. We are obliged to accept life gratefully and preserve it for his honor and the salvation of our souls. We are stewards, not owners, of life God has entrusted to us. It is not ours to dispose of.

Suicide contradicts the natural inclination of the human being to preserve and perpetuate his life. It is gravely contrary to the just love of self. It likewise offends love of neighbor because it unjustly breaks the ties of solidarity with family, nation, and other human societies to which we continue to have obligations. Suicide is contrary to love for the living God.

The 5th Commandent says thou shall not kill.....this would include oneself.

[Guest man]

The 5th Commandent says thou shall not kill.....this would include oneself.

The 5th commandment makes no ref. to killing one's self. You're making an assumption.

Where in the bible does it come right out and say that suicide is a sin?

[Pax]

The 5th Commandent says thou shall not kill.....this would include oneself.

The 5th commandment makes no ref. to killing one's self. You're making an assumption.

Where in the bible does it come right out and say that suicide is a sin?

Where in the Bible does it come right out and say Trinity? Thou shall not kill means just that. There isn't an astrik that says, unless you want to kill yourself then, hey its o.k. We are smart enough to draw this conclusion, and also reread what I worte above the 5th commandment. Lays out a good argument against suicide.

[Guest man]

The 5th Commandent says thou shall not kill.....this would include oneself.

The 5th commandment makes no ref. to killing one's self. You're making an assumption.

Where in the bible does it come right out and say that suicide is a sin?

Where in the Bible does it come right out and say Trinity? Thou shall not kill means just that. There isn't an astrik that says, unless you want to kill yourself then, hey its o.k. We are smart enough to draw this conclusion, and also reread what I worte above the 5th commandment. Lays out a good argument against suicide.

Never mentioned trinity.

Not that I am...but if I were anointed and I killed myself, what happens to my soul?

[Pax]

The 5th Commandent says thou shall not kill.....this would include oneself.

The 5th commandment makes no ref. to killing one's self. You're making an assumption.

Where in the bible does it come right out and say that suicide is a sin?

Where in the Bible does it come right out and say Trinity? Thou shall not kill means just that. There isn't an astrik that says, unless you want to kill yourself then, hey its o.k. We are smart enough to draw this conclusion, and also reread what I worte above the 5th commandment. Lays out a good argument against suicide.

Never mentioned trinity.

Not that I am...but if I were anointed and I killed myself, what happens to my soul?

Hey Man, (I love saying that )

My point about the Trinity is that it is never mentioned by word in the Bible but is implied. Much like suicide is, not mentioned by word (that I know of) but is implied to be a sin.

I also don't know what you mean by being anointed, is that "saved"? I am Catholic and anointing someone is what the Priest does when a person is gravely ill and close to death.

[Guest man]

My point about the Trinity is that it is never mentioned by word in the Bible but is implied. Much like suicide is, not mentioned by word (that I know of) but is implied to be a sin.

I also don't know what you mean by being anointed, is that "saved"? I am Catholic and anointing someone is what the Priest does when a person is gravely ill and close to death.

Implied....the bible doesn't say suicide is a sin but people have taken it upon themselves to add it to the list of sins. Since the Word of God does not address this issue, I don't see where anyone can call it a sin.

In 1 Samuel 31:4 Saul committed suicide. In 2 Samuel 1:14 David calls Saul the Lord's anointed.

I'm just wondering...in your opinion...since you believe suicide to be a sin...what happened to the Lord's anointed after he killed himself?

[Pax]

My point about the Trinity is that it is never mentioned by word in the Bible but is implied. Much like suicide is, not mentioned by word (that I know of) but is implied to be a sin.

I also don't know what you mean by being anointed, is that "saved"? I am Catholic and anointing someone is what the Priest does when a person is gravely ill and close to death.

Implied....the bible doesn't say suicide is a sin but people have taken it upon themselves to add it to the list of sins. Since the Word of God does not address this issue, I don't see where anyone can call it a sin.

In 1 Samuel 31:4 Saul committed suicide. In 2 Samuel 1:14 David calls Saul the Lord's anointed.

I'm just wondering...in your opinion...since you believe suicide to be a sin...what happened to the Lord's anointed after he killed himself?

Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.

Saul was being pursued by the Philistines in battle, he had also been wounded by an arrow in the stomach. I would put Saul in the category above. Suicide being a sin isn't always black and white as some in the Catholic Church believe.

We should not despair the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways know to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. (taken from the Catechism of the Catholic Church) 2283

This doesn't mean that it is o.k. to kill yourself, it clearly isn't. However, there may be mercy for one that does.

[Guest man]

My point about the Trinity is that it is never mentioned by word in the Bible but is implied. Much like suicide is, not mentioned by word (that I know of) but is implied to be a sin.

I also don't know what you mean by being anointed, is that "saved"? I am Catholic and anointing someone is what the Priest does when a person is gravely ill and close to death.

Implied....the bible doesn't say suicide is a sin but people have taken it upon themselves to add it to the list of sins. Since the Word of God does not address this issue, I don't see where anyone can call it a sin.

In 1 Samuel 31:4 Saul committed suicide. In 2 Samuel 1:14 David calls Saul the Lord's anointed.

I'm just wondering...in your opinion...since you believe suicide to be a sin...what happened to the Lord's anointed after he killed himself?

Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.

Saul was being pursued by the Philistines in battle, he had also been wounded by an arrow in the stomach. I would put Saul in the category above. Suicide being a sin isn't always black and white as some in the Catholic Church believe.

We should not despair the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways know to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. (taken from the Catechism of the Catholic Church) 2283

This doesn't mean that it is o.k. to kill yourself, it clearly isn't. However, there may be mercy for one that does.

So do you still consider suicide to be a mortal sin?

[Pax]

My point about the Trinity is that it is never mentioned by word in the Bible but is implied. Much like suicide is, not mentioned by word (that I know of) but is implied to be a sin.

I also don't know what you mean by being anointed, is that "saved"? I am Catholic and anointing someone is what the Priest does when a person is gravely ill and close to death.

Implied....the bible doesn't say suicide is a sin but people have taken it upon themselves to add it to the list of sins. Since the Word of God does not address this issue, I don't see where anyone can call it a sin.

In 1 Samuel 31:4 Saul committed suicide. In 2 Samuel 1:14 David calls Saul the Lord's anointed.

I'm just wondering...in your opinion...since you believe suicide to be a sin...what happened to the Lord's anointed after he killed himself?

Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.

Saul was being pursued by the Philistines in battle, he had also been wounded by an arrow in the stomach. I would put Saul in the category above. Suicide being a sin isn't always black and white as some in the Catholic Church believe.

We should not despair the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways know to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. (taken from the Catechism of the Catholic Church) 2283

This doesn't mean that it is o.k. to kill yourself, it clearly isn't. However, there may be mercy for one that does.

So do you still consider suicide to be a mortal sin?

Yes. There must be three things in place to commit a mortal sin.

1.) Must be grave matter, killing ones self is definantly this

2.) One has to know that it is a sin. Not everyone might know that this is a sin

3.) One has to then freely act on this sin. This is important, mental illness, pressure, sickness can all take away ones free will.

If these are all in place and then one kills themselves they could committ a mortal sin and not be around to repent. This is very bad