hell and mercy

[Naziyr]

In able to "repent", you must be "capable" of "repenting" from what you choose to "seek forgiveness" of. Remember that the literal meaning of "repent" is to "turn around" or "Go the opposite direction". In which case, if you put a bullet through your head, can you repent of it?

Forgiveness is found in repentance.

Just a thought.

Shalom.

[Guest man]

Man the Bible doesn't come right out and say "if you kill yourself you have committed a mortal sin and will go straight to hell." However the Bible says "Thou shall not Kill." And the Bible also talks of two types of sin, when you put the two together a person who commits suicide had a chance of committing a mortal sin and is no long here to repent, which could be very bad for that person. However this isn't black and white.

If it's not black and white, how can you call it a mortal sin?

Look at your list...#2... if a person doesn't know it's a sin then it isn't a sin...correct?

#3 does not apply if the person doesn't know it's a sin....correct?

[Observer of dreams]

Actually your correct man. Ignorance is bliss as they say.

[Pax]

Man the Bible doesn't come right out and say "if you kill yourself you have committed a mortal sin and will go straight to hell." However the Bible says "Thou shall not Kill." And the Bible also talks of two types of sin, when you put the two together a person who commits suicide had a chance of committing a mortal sin and is no long here to repent, which could be very bad for that person. However this isn't black and white.

If it's not black and white, how can you call it a mortal sin?

Look at your list...#2... if a person doesn't know it's a sin then it isn't a sin...correct?

#3 does not apply if the person doesn't know it's a sin....correct?

You are correct, a person has to know what they are doing is a sin. An example of this is a 12 year old boy that commits a crime. Does he really know what he did? Most states say no, and that child is in juvinile hall until the age of 18 or 19 then set free. Often without a criminal record. I also posted that certain situations lower a persons culpability. This means if a person is under extreme stress of any kind, this can lower culpability. God is the ultimate judge of this not us. If a person commits suicide I am not going to say, hey he's in hell. I don't know what was going on in his life or in his head.

[Guest man]

Man the Bible doesn't come right out and say "if you kill yourself you have committed a mortal sin and will go straight to hell." However the Bible says "Thou shall not Kill." And the Bible also talks of two types of sin, when you put the two together a person who commits suicide had a chance of committing a mortal sin and is no long here to repent, which could be very bad for that person. However this isn't black and white.

If it's not black and white, how can you call it a mortal sin?

Look at your list...#2... if a person doesn't know it's a sin then it isn't a sin...correct?

#3 does not apply if the person doesn't know it's a sin....correct?

You are correct, a person has to know what they are doing is a sin. An example of this is a 12 year old boy that commits a crime. Does he really know what he did? Most states say no, and that child is in juvinile hall until the age of 18 or 19 then set free. Often without a criminal record. I also posted that certain situations lower a persons culpability. This means if a person is under extreme stress of any kind, this can lower culpability. God is the ultimate judge of this not us. If a person commits suicide I am not going to say, hey he's in hell. I don't know what was going on in his life or in his head.

Then how can you say that suicide is a mortal sin?

If you're looking for scripture to back up your claim's...I don't think there are any.

[Pax]

Man the Bible doesn't come right out and say "if you kill yourself you have committed a mortal sin and will go straight to hell." However the Bible says "Thou shall not Kill." And the Bible also talks of two types of sin, when you put the two together a person who commits suicide had a chance of committing a mortal sin and is no long here to repent, which could be very bad for that person. However this isn't black and white.

If it's not black and white, how can you call it a mortal sin?

Look at your list...#2... if a person doesn't know it's a sin then it isn't a sin...correct?

#3 does not apply if the person doesn't know it's a sin....correct?

You are correct, a person has to know what they are doing is a sin. An example of this is a 12 year old boy that commits a crime. Does he really know what he did? Most states say no, and that child is in juvinile hall until the age of 18 or 19 then set free. Often without a criminal record. I also posted that certain situations lower a persons culpability. This means if a person is under extreme stress of any kind, this can lower culpability. God is the ultimate judge of this not us. If a person commits suicide I am not going to say, hey he's in hell. I don't know what was going on in his life or in his head.

Then how can you say that suicide is a mortal sin?

If you're looking for scripture to back up your claim's...I don't think there are any.

I said it has the potential to be a mortal sin.

[Guest man]

Man the Bible doesn't come right out and say "if you kill yourself you have committed a mortal sin and will go straight to hell." However the Bible says "Thou shall not Kill." And the Bible also talks of two types of sin, when you put the two together a person who commits suicide had a chance of committing a mortal sin and is no long here to repent, which could be very bad for that person. However this isn't black and white.

If it's not black and white, how can you call it a mortal sin?

Look at your list...#2... if a person doesn't know it's a sin then it isn't a sin...correct?

#3 does not apply if the person doesn't know it's a sin....correct?

You are correct, a person has to know what they are doing is a sin. An example of this is a 12 year old boy that commits a crime. Does he really know what he did? Most states say no, and that child is in juvinile hall until the age of 18 or 19 then set free. Often without a criminal record. I also posted that certain situations lower a persons culpability. This means if a person is under extreme stress of any kind, this can lower culpability. God is the ultimate judge of this not us. If a person commits suicide I am not going to say, hey he's in hell. I don't know what was going on in his life or in his head.

Then how can you say that suicide is a mortal sin?

If you're looking for scripture to back up your claim's...I don't think there are any.

I said it has the potential to be a mortal sin.

You know what else has the potential of being a mortal sin?

Making stuff up and passing it off as the Truth. When we preach the word and what we preach cannot be verified through the Word, it is not the Truth. This is a very dangerous practice. There are penalties for teaching manmade doctrines.

We can let this go for now but I will advise you to study your bible.

[cjrose]

If it's not black and white, how can you call it a mortal sin?

Look at your list...#2... if a person doesn't know it's a sin then it isn't a sin...correct?

#3 does not apply if the person doesn't know it's a sin....correct?

This is when you ask for the Holy Spirit to bring to mind those things that are sinful that you have commited and He will intercede for you. There is no excuse to repent for sins when there is one who will convict you of all wrong doing.

[Guest man]

If it's not black and white, how can you call it a mortal sin?

Look at your list...#2... if a person doesn't know it's a sin then it isn't a sin...correct?

#3 does not apply if the person doesn't know it's a sin....correct?

This is when you ask for the Holy Spirit to bring to mind those things that are sinful that you have commited and He will intercede for you. There is no excuse to repent for sins when there is one who will convict you of all wrong doing.

It was posted that 3 things must be in place to commit a mortal sin.

Do you agree with that list?

[Pax]

Man the Bible doesn't come right out and say "if you kill yourself you have committed a mortal sin and will go straight to hell." However the Bible says "Thou shall not Kill." And the Bible also talks of two types of sin, when you put the two together a person who commits suicide had a chance of committing a mortal sin and is no long here to repent, which could be very bad for that person. However this isn't black and white.

If it's not black and white, how can you call it a mortal sin?

Look at your list...#2... if a person doesn't know it's a sin then it isn't a sin...correct?

#3 does not apply if the person doesn't know it's a sin....correct?

You are correct, a person has to know what they are doing is a sin. An example of this is a 12 year old boy that commits a crime. Does he really know what he did? Most states say no, and that child is in juvinile hall until the age of 18 or 19 then set free. Often without a criminal record. I also posted that certain situations lower a persons culpability. This means if a person is under extreme stress of any kind, this can lower culpability. God is the ultimate judge of this not us. If a person commits suicide I am not going to say, hey he's in hell. I don't know what was going on in his life or in his head.

Then how can you say that suicide is a mortal sin?

If you're looking for scripture to back up your claim's...I don't think there are any.

I said it has the potential to be a mortal sin.

You know what else has the potential of being a mortal sin?

Making stuff up and passing it off as the Truth. When we preach the word and what we preach cannot be verified through the Word, it is not the Truth. This is a very dangerous practice. There are penalties for teaching manmade doctrines.

We can let this go for now but I will advise you to study your bible.

I respectfully disagree, but will leave it at that. God bless you....Man