Magic

[Iryssa]

If magic weren't real, I don't think God would have bothered warning us about it in the Bible. I don't think it happens like in Harry Potter, for instance, where people go around with sticks, say some words in (bad) Latin, and POOF! Magic! But I do think magic (channeled much differently) is real.

Or he could be warning you not to persue magic because it doesn't exist, and would be a waste of time and even dangerous considering sometimes Magic asks for blood sacrifices. lol

*laugh* I could see it now: "Come on, people...just don't waste your time. You're not going to see any results, and ALL you're going to end up with is a murder trial!"

[spiritman]

I beg to differ, I used to be in contact with demonic spirits as a young person, and I have witnesses that have seen the demons move objects around.

At the time I was tricked into thinking it was me doing it, we could not see the demons.

Also this kind of thing is Biblical: Acts:19:13-16: Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the LORD Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth. And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so. And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye? And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.

Acts 16:16-18: And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:

The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation. And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.

Acts:13-6-11: And when they had gone through the isle unto Paphos, they found a certain sorcerer, a false prophet, a Jew, whose name was Barjesus:

Which was with the deputy of the country, Sergius Paulus, a prudent man; who called for Barnabas and Saul, and desired to hear the word of God. But Elymas the sorcerer (for so is his name by interpretation) withstood them, seeking to turn away the deputy from the faith. Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him.

And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?

And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand.

Also I had an experiance a few years back, where I went into a Satanist chat room to witness, and I was talking to a priestest, I was trying to convert, all of a sudden the screen on my computer started flashing like a camera flash bulb. Then she typed in and told me things about my life, that she could not have known.

I believe that these people manupilate demons to do their bidding, but afterwards they turn on them. Praise God the power of Christ is so much stronger. The Children of Christ are protected.

[Guest]

Praise God the power of Christ is so much stronger. The Children of Christ are protected.

"And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."

"Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world." (1 John 4:3-4)

[Hypathia]

I don't believe in magic.

[spiritman]

I don't believe in magic.

Granted, there is not such thing, as a human commanding things to come about in the supernatural. but make no mistake. There are demons out there who will fool people into believing false things. Those who have given themselves over to the evil one. And as for Christians, We ask God for what we need, and sometimes He will move His hand for us.

This might seem like magic to some. but it is just proof, that there is infact activity in the spiritual realm.

[Apoptosis]

I beg to differ, I used to be in contact with demonic spirits as a young person, and I have witnesses that have seen the demons move objects around.

At the time I was tricked into thinking it was me doing it, we could not see the demons.

In Medicine we call that psychosis, and when in a group we call it mass hallucination.

[Floatingaxe]

I beg to differ, I used to be in contact with demonic spirits as a young person, and I have witnesses that have seen the demons move objects around.

At the time I was tricked into thinking it was me doing it, we could not see the demons.

In Medicine we call that psychosis, and when in a group we call it mass hallucination.

Demonic influences can also do these things, Apoptosis...no hallucination about it.

[Apoptosis]

I beg to differ, I used to be in contact with demonic spirits as a young person, and I have witnesses that have seen the demons move objects around.

At the time I was tricked into thinking it was me doing it, we could not see the demons.

In Medicine we call that psychosis, and when in a group we call it mass hallucination.

Demonic influences can also do these things, Apoptosis...no hallucination about it.

So could a hallucingenic drug that alters brain chemistry or a good wack to the head, are you denying the fact that psychosis patients are caused by imbalance in brain chemistry and that these patients were the result of the devil manipulating their minds? Why do we even treat these people, why not just submit them to the church and have a massive exorcism rally? And really, the Devil must be very impotent, considering a man made chemical product could thwart his devious actions.

[Guest]

{{{ In Medicine we call that psychosis, and when in a group we call it mass hallucination. }}}

Carl Jung (one of these "medicine" men) danced with demons on a regular bases.

He even scared his poor buddy Sigmund!

You are right about mass hallucination!

It has plagued medicine throughout it's history.

Especially in these last days of man's government upon earth!

"We" can all attest to this 'psychosis" of medical practitioners even within the last few months such as hormones will keep females from strokes, cancer, bone mass loss, etc.!

"But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived." (2 Timothy 3:13)

The only hope we have for sanity against the evil enfolding the planet is Jesus!

"Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,"

"To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen." (Jude 1:24-25)

[Floatingaxe]

I beg to differ, I used to be in contact with demonic spirits as a young person, and I have witnesses that have seen the demons move objects around.

At the time I was tricked into thinking it was me doing it, we could not see the demons.

In Medicine we call that psychosis, and when in a group we call it mass hallucination.

Demonic influences can also do these things, Apoptosis...no hallucination about it.

So could a hallucingenic drug that alters brain chemistry or a good wack to the head, are you denying the fact that psychosis patients are caused by imbalance in brain chemistry and that these patients were the result of the devil manipulating their minds? Why do we even treat these people, why not just submit them to the church and have a massive exorcism rally? And really, the Devil must be very impotent, considering a man made chemical product could thwart his devious actions.

Well sorry to differ! I have had experience with such things...no drugs involved.