Do you REALLY KNOW why?

[StewartP]

Really..? please tell me what part of that statement is not scripturally true...

Oh, I am absolutely sure it is scripturally accurate

And if it is truth according to scripture, then for what reason do you chastise me...?

Interested to know..

Well, because the Original Post was about Why Do Christians Preach Their Gospel" (my paraphrasing)

and the spirit of that post is contained here:

It's because we love each and every person and we don't want to see anyone experience eternal torment.

It's simple really.

We (Christians) may not be perfect, but we do care about YOU.

Then you barrel in with the big day of judgment warnings.

and you're still doing it: viz the rest of this post I'm replying to:

You joke about God wagging his finger..Theres nothing remotely funny about that...A mans salvation is the single most important issue he has to deal with in this life. Mock it if you will, but dont point the finger at one who speaks the truth according to scripture..The truth of the gospel of Christ is simple.

"Unless a man repents he shall perish." "Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand." I think you will find Soulgrind and myself in agreement on this.

Do you want ALL of the Truth or just part of it. Shall I deny you part of the gospel in order to guard you from feeling offended....? Or should I do all I can to make the truth known. Dont I owe that to you if I truly do hold the message of truth that can save your eternal soul...Or would you rather I keep quiet and let you perish..?

I suggest you stop laughing....Your salvation is NOT a laughing matter. Even if you think it trivial and unimportant, there is more at stake here than you realise.

SoulGrind's topic is how great is God's love for us.

Your addendum is how terrible and inevitible is God's judgement for us.

So, I'm "chastising" you, not for your scriptural or doctrinal accuracy, but for your eagerness to show us the fires of hell.

Do I suspect you'll be saying a self-righteous "I told you so" as I plunge screaming into the abyss?

[redeemed098]

Really..? please tell me what part of that statement is not scripturally true...

Oh, I am absolutely sure it is scripturally accurate

And if it is truth according to scripture, then for what reason do you chastise me...?

Interested to know..

Well, because the Original Post was about Why Do Christians Preach Their Gospel" (my paraphrasing)

and the spirit of that post is contained here:

It's because we love each and every person and we don't want to see anyone experience eternal torment.

It's simple really.

We (Christians) may not be perfect, but we do care about YOU.

Then you barrel in with the big day of judgment warnings.

and you're still doing it: viz the rest of this post I'm replying to:

You joke about God wagging his finger..Theres nothing remotely funny about that...A mans salvation is the single most important issue he has to deal with in this life. Mock it if you will, but dont point the finger at one who speaks the truth according to scripture..The truth of the gospel of Christ is simple.

"Unless a man repents he shall perish." "Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand." I think you will find Soulgrind and myself in agreement on this.

Do you want ALL of the Truth or just part of it. Shall I deny you part of the gospel in order to guard you from feeling offended....? Or should I do all I can to make the truth known. Dont I owe that to you if I truly do hold the message of truth that can save your eternal soul...Or would you rather I keep quiet and let you perish..?

I suggest you stop laughing....Your salvation is NOT a laughing matter. Even if you think it trivial and unimportant, there is more at stake here than you realise.

SoulGrind's topic is how great is God's love for us.

Your addendum is how terrible and inevitible is God's judgement for us.

So, I'm "chastising" you, not for your scriptural or doctrinal accuracy, but for your eagerness to show us the fires of hell.

Do I suspect you'll be saying a self-righteous "I told you so" as I plunge screaming into the abyss?

No Stewart, not at all. God IS a loving God..A very big part of that Love is his desire to see perfect Justice. This part of the message is just as important Stewart, though often left out...

Truth be known Stewart, If I wanted to say I told you so, I would not be here at all. I would not share anything with you. My silence whilst given the knowledge and truth of Scripture would do you a greater INjustice than my sharing of the scriptures with you.

You might think I want to see you burn in hell...I would not be a Christian if that were the case Stewart..."Greater Love has no man than he who would lay down his life for his friend."

You may not see me as a friend Stewart, but I would still lay down my life for you. I dont ignore what Christ has taught..."If you did it NOT for the least one of these, then you did it not for ME." Jesus by his sacrifice for all mankind BECAME Love and became Life. He became the measure of what True Love and sacrifice IS. True Love REQUIRES sacrifice...Of which Christs' offering to God for our sins was the Ultimate sacrifice. By loving one another we are therefore loving Christ.

As a holder of the message of Truth, do I not have an obligation to share it with you...? What friend am I if indeed I neglect to do this...?

Please realise Stewart that Part of Gods Love and Holiness is his perfect Justice. He demands it. He is God and you are NOT. God only accepts us through the offering and sacrifice of his only begotten son. He accepts us no other way, as no other way has been made for the forgiveness of sins.

"The wages of sin is death, but the gift from God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord." "For God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten son, that whoever believes in him shall NOT perish but have everlasting Life."

Stewart...Gods perfect justice demands payment for sins. There is a penalty attached to it and that is why we are all dying. We are born simply to die Stewart. Death is what we have inherited as a result of the fall of man.

" It is appointed for every man to die once, and then the judgement."

If you die outside of the salvation provided by Christ, Stewart, then all that remains for you is the wrath of God. This is the truth according to scripture. God IS the God of Love, but he demonstrated that love ultimately by laying down the life of his Son, his only begotten son in order to provide a way back to him. This is not just a message of Christs love for us, but also Gods Love for us in "giving" his only begotten son.

Through what God did for US, we ultimately learn what sacrifical Love truly IS.

Regards,

Ben.

[SoulGrind]

SoulGrind's topic is how great is God's love for us.

Your addendum is how terrible and inevitible is God's judgement for us.

So, I'm "chastising" you, not for your scriptural or doctrinal accuracy, but for your eagerness to show us the fires of hell.

You're right, I did say that God is love - just a parent loves their child.

But redeemed098 is correct when pointing out the fires of Hell, just as a loving parent warns a child that the stove is hot.

Edited October 23, 2006 by SoulGrind

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

A note to our resident atheist friends.

No more links to sites of anti-Christian content.

Peace,

Dave

[billie]

But there is a Heaven.......what's the point in asking a question like that?

[TheProcess]

Telling a lie would invite the notion that I stated something about you that is untrue - I did no such thing.

Notice that I said, "or talking rubbish at least".

I never stated that "you" use the argument 'I know because I know', and I do appologize if you took it that way.

If you re-read what I stated, I said... That is a general statement.

However you are trying to explain it, I would advise you to be more careful in the way that you write.

However, in light of the fact that you stated it was a forgery without providing proof at that time does not bode well for credibility.

When you state something like "It's a forgery" - you are stating something as if you have knowledge of such a thing. Therefore, to be taken seriously, I highly recommend that you qualify your statements in a manner that produces evidence (which I see you finally did in one of your latest posts). To do this, a statement similar to the following is helpful:

EXAMPLE:

"I know something is a forgery BECAUSE... Proof A, Proof B, etc.etc. - ref to Proof A, ref to Proof B."

For more information, do a google search on writing essays in the MLA Format - not only will you structure your arguments more succinctly, but they will carry more weight and provide you with a stronger position and establish your credibility.

Just trying to be helpful here - not condemning or bashing.

And if you don't believe me, feel free to discuss such things with any High School or Entry-Level College English instructor.

Best regards,

In fact, when I first mentioned it I provided a link which included discussion of, "arguments against authenticity".

Edited October 23, 2006 by TheProcess

[TheProcess]

And also:

Claim

The Bible, remarkably for its time, notes that the eighth day after birth is the saftest time to perform circumcisions [Gen. 17:12, Lev. 12:2-3]. When a baby is born, they have no bacteria in their intestines for the first few days. By the seventh day, the bacteria multiply and produce vitamin K. Without vitamin K and prothrombin protein (which is produced by the liver using vitamin K), the bood will not clot properly and the possibility of severe bleeding as well as infection would make circumcision dangerous in a primitive medical situation.

Responses

Whether factually accurate or not, this doesn't have implications for a divine origin of the Bible. Pre-scientific societies often have useful procedural medical knowledge derived from long periods of trial and error. So this has no clear implications for divine origin of this part, let alone other parts of the Bible.

http://wiki.cotch.net/index.php/Bible_spec...or_circumcision

SoulGrind, are you going to respond to this?

[TheProcess]

SoulGrind, what do you think? Did the zombies return to their graves? Or perhaps they stayed and lived with the inhabitants of Jerusalem?

What happened to the zombies then?

[SoulGrind]

And also:

Claim

The Bible, remarkably for its time, notes that the eighth day after birth is the saftest time to perform circumcisions [Gen. 17:12, Lev. 12:2-3]. When a baby is born, they have no bacteria in their intestines for the first few days. By the seventh day, the bacteria multiply and produce vitamin K. Without vitamin K and prothrombin protein (which is produced by the liver using vitamin K), the bood will not clot properly and the possibility of severe bleeding as well as infection would make circumcision dangerous in a primitive medical situation.

Responses

Whether factually accurate or not, this doesn't have implications for a divine origin of the Bible. Pre-scientific societies often have useful procedural medical knowledge derived from long periods of trial and error. So this has no clear implications for divine origin of this part, let alone other parts of the Bible.

http://wiki.cotch.net/index.php/Bible_spec...or_circumcision

SoulGrind, are you going to respond to this?

This article (which is has anti-Biblical overtones vs a neutral tone) suggests that pre-scientific societies often have useful procedural medical knowledge. However, while this may be true, it does not state which societies, and the Biblical claim does not state any form of "trial and error" on behalf of the Hebrew/Israial nation. Therefore, we must give the authors of the Biblical account the benefit of the doubt (as we would in any other form of literature) until sufficient evidence is presented one way or another.

Edited October 23, 2006 by SoulGrind

[SoulGrind]

SoulGrind, what do you think? Did the zombies return to their graves? Or perhaps they stayed and lived with the inhabitants of Jerusalem?

What happened to the zombies then?

The Bible does not go into any further detail, therefore, anything beyond what is already written is mere conjecture.